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Think we have all gone down the wrong track sometimes

I know I have especially in the early days of my hobby

Bought certs too that turned out to be incorrect so were costly mistakes but at least eliminated the wrong path


Even now have looked at records and gone with them for a while to think hang on that can’t be correct

To me it’s what makes genealogy so interesting

Carry on sleuthing lol :-D

Worked back to Cyril P Bragg with no problem. As friend thought there was an East London connection, I went in the wrong direction with Cyril Penrose.

Lesson learnt, never assume!

Many thanks.

Always work backwards - less risk of making mistakes ;-) ;-)

All of this is for a friend, who has no information about their family.

Mother was the Alice Love (adopted) that you all helped with me earlier.
Friend's father was Douglas H Bragg mentioned above, who forbade his children from having anything to do with his family and they were never spoken about.

Thank you again for the additional info above. It is something that I can pass to my friend.

:-)

cyril pretoria is correct as previously posted

Name: Cyril Pretoria Bragg
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1899
Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1920
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Hounslow, Hounslow, England
Father:
Harry Hope Bragg
Spouse:
Gladys Beatrice Godden
Register Type: Parish Register

Cyril Pretoria
Last name Bragg
Gender Unknown
Age at death 75
Birth year 1900
Residence Rochester
Burial year 1975
Cremation date 09 May 1975
Place Chatham, Medway Crematorium
Disposal of ashes Ashes: Strewn in Glade 38
County Kent
Country England
Record source Medway, Kent Cremation Records 1959-1980
Record set Kent Burials

Gladys Beatrice
Last name Bragg
Gender Female
Age at death 86
Birth year 1903
Occupation Retired
Died at Died at Rochester. Removed from Rochester
Burial year 1989
Burial date 28 Mar 1989
Place Rochester, Fort Pitt Military, St Margaret's & St Nicholas's Cemeteries
County Kent
Country England
Record source Rochester, Kent. St Margaret's Cemetery burials 1865-2009
Grave reference Section J No. 253 (C)
Notes
Entry No. 4509. N P 6ft
Record set Kent Burials


1939
67 Mansfield Drive, Hillingdon, Hayes and Harlington U.D., Middlesex, England

Gladys B Bragg 31 Jan 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 126 1
Cyril P Bragg 10 Sep 1922 Male Shop Assistant Fruiterers Single 126 2 ------ mmn godden
Douglas H Bragg 17 Dec 1923 Male Errand Boy (Unemployed) Single 126 3
The record for this person is officially closed. x 2

ADDITIONAL

Harry Hope
Last name Bragg
Birth quarter 3
Birth year 1865
Mother's maiden name Blackwell
District Lambeth
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 408

Harry Hope
Last name Bragg
Name note -
Age 28
Marriage year 1893
Marriage date 15 Nov 1893
Marriage place Brixton
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's last name Bragg
Spouse's first name(s) Helen Hephzibah
Spouse's last name Wyatt
Spouse's age 26
Spouse's birth year 1867
Spouse's birth date 1867
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Wyatt
Residence Brixton, Surrey, England
County Surrey
Country England


1911
33 Clifton Road Spring Grove, Heston, Middlesex, England
Learn about this record set
Harry Hope Bragg Head Married Male 45 1866 Electric Tram Motorman Brixton London S W
Helen Hephzibat Bragg Wife Married Female 43 1868 - Woodbridge Suffolk
Leslie Harry Bragg Son Single Male 15 1896 Shop Assistant Brixton London S W
Clifford Bragg Son Single Male 12 1899 School Wimbledon Surrey
Cyril Bragg Son Single Male 10 1901 School Wimbledon Surrey

Harry Hope
Last name Bragg
Birth year 1866
Age 71
Death year 1937
Place Heston
Dedication St Leonard
Inscription
In memory of / HARRY HOPE BRAGG / died June 11th 1937 / aged 71 / and his beloved wife / HELEN / died Jan. 25th 1933 / aged 67.
Monument type Kerb inscribed at foot
Position reference Churchyard
Memorial reference Ko22
Document link
A document containing detail of the church, and layouts for all inscriptions
County Middlesex

So which of the BRAGG families are you actually related to?


Deaths Jun 1975 (>99%)
Bragg Cyril Pretoria 12AP1900 Chatham 16 672

Forever grateful for all your help in checking info and clearing up my confusion.

I had a Cyril P Bragg and wrongly thought it was Cyril Penrose, when it was more likely to have been Cyril Pretoria Bragg. I do know the descendants of my
Cyril P Bragg/Gladys Godden moved to Medway, Kent and have since found a death record of Cyril Pretoria Bragg, 1975 - Chatham, so perhaps all the family moved there.

Thank you so much.
:-)

Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
Daynton Claudian P O'Connor Marylebone 1a 1366
O'Connor Mary Daynton Marylebone 1a 1366

Maralyn -

you'll have to buy a copy of the cert to find out the exact date of the Bragg/Godden marriage.

But that's Cyril Pretoria's marriage - not Cyril Penrose's.


EDIT
Oops, already given date of marriage in a post on 12 March, at 21:48

The man who married was Cyril PRETORIA Bragg - the full info has been posted

This is his birth:-
BRAGG, CYRIL PRETORIA (MMN) WYATT
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 362


Cyril PENROSE (Bragg/Daynton) DIED in 1895 - as posted above

I also have Cyril Penrose Bragg marrying a Gladys B Godden in 1920, 4th Qtr. Coincidence? Thought perhaps Cyril Penrose and Cyril Pretoria might be the same person, but Cyril Pretoria marriage cert say father is a Harry Hope Bragg.
AgyllGran - could you find exact date of Cyril Penrose marriage please?

Wow, trying to get my head round all of above information, but thank you.

No response from Marilyn ?

Harold Penrose Daynton
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 31 Dec 1898
Registration Date: Jul 1981
[Aug 1981]
[Sep 1981]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Bury St edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 10
Page: 2010

More info

Cyril John
Last name Daynton
Birth year 1920
Age 24
Death year 1944
Death date 31 Dec 1944
Number 146297
Rank Flying Officer
Unit 248 Sqdn.
Regiment Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Grave reference Panel 205.
Cemetery or Memorial Runnymede Memorial
Burial country United Kingdom
Additional information Son of Claudian Penrose Daynton and Mary Daynton, of Sutton, Surrey.
Link
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
War Second World War, 1939-1945
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Second World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
© Commonwealth War Graves Commission

Deaths Sep 1913
Daynton Rebecca 52 London C. 1c 22

1911 census

Rebecca Daynton
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Old Kent, London, England
Civil Parish: Glemsford
Search Photos: Search for 'Glemsford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Country: England
Street Address: New Cut, Glemsford, Suffolk
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Matting Factory
Registration District Number: 205
Sub-registration District: Melford
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Piece: 10560
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Daynton 49
Claude Daynton 15
Harold Daynton 12
Selwyn Daynton 9

Married 27 years 5 children born 3 still living

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DAYNTON, SELWYN PENROSE WORSFOLD
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 912

Wonder whether Joseph Bragg was in fact Joseph Daynton and they lied to face save

1901 census

Joseph Daynton
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Rebecca Daynton
Birth Place: Blackheath, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Glemsford
Search Photos: Search for 'Glemsford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Glemsford
Town: Glemsford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: new cut

Occupation:wine agent

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Sudbury
Sub-registration District: Hartest
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1747
Folio: 34
Page Number: 13
Household Schedule Number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Daynton 45
Rebecca Daynton 38
Claud Daynton 5
Harold Daynton 2



Look at the birth record

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DAYNTON, CLAUDIAN PENROSE BRAGG
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 769

And

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DAYNTON, HAROLD PENROSE WORSFOLD
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 839




Some serious cover ups going on it looks like


Edit

DAYNTON, CYRIL 2
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 04A Page 442

So birth registered as Bragg but death regisred as Daynton

You say mother thought to be Rebecca worsfield

Getting the cert will confirm .or not

Cyril Pretoria Bragg
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Cyril Pretoria Bragg
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1899
Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1920
Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Hounslow, Hounslow, England
Father: Harry Hope Bragg
Spouse: Gladys Beatrice Godden <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Register

Rebecca Penrose Bragg
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Rebecca Penrose Bragg
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 May 1891
Baptism Place: England, St George in the East, Tower Hamlets
Father: Joseph Bragg, labourer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Rebecca Bragg
Register Type: Parish Registers

12 Mayfields Buildings.

*********** Rebecca nee Worsfield/Worsfold was at 12 Mayfields Buildings in 1891.