Genealogy Chat

Both Richard Samuel Howe and Mary Kathleen Howe bap gives father----Alfred John Howe-- as a ----Clerk.

It does seem that Douglas was illegitimate and his mum registered his birth with some false information to cover it up

Maybe as he was fostered out to a fairly local lady it was soon after his birth as his mum is back in Poplar by 1914

Different sides of the Thames !

I was born in the Greenwich area and lived there to the 1960,s so am very familiar with that area of south east London

The man who married Netherton apparently died in 1910, although I can't see any record to back up the suggestion

Name: Alfred John Howe
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Birth Date: Jul 1878
Admission Date: 8 Dec 1884
School: Union Street School
Father: William Howe

HOWE, ALFRED JOHN MILLER
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 311

The children of the Howe/Netherton marriage were with their maternal grandmother in 1911

In all honesty, I think this is a 'dead end'

Yes I did see that but was ??

Alice (nee Netherton) was a widow in 1911 - see census above

Just wondering why the baby was born in Erith and they lived in Paddington

It’s a totally different area

As you can see, they weren’t at that address in 1911, so tracing John will be less than easy.

try looking for possible deaths, to get some idea of age

David Gordon Howe's father on his birth cert. was clerk General Engineers of 180 Fernhead rd Paddington. On his marriage cert. to Elsie Kathleen Fairweather it is stated as father John Howe (dec) engineer. Does any of this make sense? Pat

CARR, PHILOMENA ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1031

WHITWORTH, MARJORIE EVELYN (MMN) ROGERS
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in LANCASTER Volume 08E Page 715

GUICHARD, MABEL -
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1283

What was David’s father's occupation? (From the birth cert)

1911 for Hester - she seems to have taken in several 'unwanted' children

145 Evelyn St Deptford S E, St Paul Deptford, London & Kent, England
Hester Elizabeth Martin Head Widow Female 45 1866 At Home St Pauls Deptford
Florence Mary Ann Martin Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Spinner String St Nicholls Deptford
Philomena Elizabeth Carr Adopted - Female 9 1902 School Deptford
Marjory Evelyn Whitworth Nurse Child - Female 2 1909 - Skerton Lancaster


1901
10, Black Horse Place Deptford, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London & Kent
John Martin Head Married Male 37 1864 Tank Rivetter Charlton, Kent, England
Hester E Martin Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Deptford, Kent, England
Martha E Martin Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Tin Worker Deptford, Kent, England
John T Martin Son Single Male 14 1887 Van Boy Deptford, Kent, England
Lillian A Martin Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Deptford, Kent, England
Florence M Martin Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Deptford, Kent, England
Mabel Guichard Nursling Single Female 1 1900 - Plumstead, Kent, England

MARTIN, FLORENCE MARY ANN SOUTHGATE
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1002

MARTIN, MARTHA ETHEL SOUTHGATE
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1029

1939.............
3 Crimen House Deptford Church Street, Deptford, Lewisham, Deptford, London, England

Hester E Martin 24 Feb 1866 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Widowed 125 1
Philimina Martin 08 Jun 1901 Female Drawing Frame Operator Textile Trade Hand Single 125 2

The occupants of 87 Bexley Road in 1911

Elizabeth Emily Thomas Head Widow Female 48 1863 Sick Nurse Southampton Wortham
Benjamin Douglas Thomas Son Single Male 19 1892 Apprentice Southampton St Marys
Ellen Annie Lees Visitor Married Female 42 1869 Private Means India Bankspors Resident
Mary Ann Fall McDowall Patient Single Female 33 1878 Private Means Durham Hartlepool

and of 180 Fernhead Road, Paddington

Cooper Edward Arthur
1858

Cooper Eliza Jane
1861

Jacobs Charles Clifford
1904

Jacobs Charles William
1876

Jacobs Mary Annie
1878


Parkins Alice Rosina
1881
.
Parkins Elsie Annie
1910

Parkins William James
1880

I have now found some more info on my cousin's father..David Gordon Howe dob12/8/1912 father John Howe Mother Lucy Howe formerlyLetherton. Address where born 87 Bexley road,Erith Kent. Signature & Residence of informant L Howe (mother) 180 Fernhead road Paddington My cousin was told after his father's death that his father was brought up by a Mrs Hester Martin who lived at 3 cremer house Deptford Is this any help? Thank you Pat

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Blackwater West H, Yateley, Farnham, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Edward Ledford Male 40 1801 Hampshire, England Ag. Lab
Lucy Ledford Female 25 1816 -
Henry Ledford Male 10 1831 -
William Ledford Male 6 1835 Hampshire, England
Lucy Ledford Female 4 1837 Hampshire, England <<<<<
Ellen Ledford Female 0 1841 Hampshire, England

?? As the1841 census shows an Ann Netherton with the family

Cornwall Baptisms

First name(s) William
Last name Netherton
Gender Male
Birth year 1800
Baptism year 1800
Baptism date 30 Jan 1800
Parish Lostwithiel
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Netherton
Relationship Son
Place Lostwithiel
County Cornwall

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Menawinke, Lanlivery, Bodmin, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Netherton Head Married Male 50 1801 Ag Lab St Winnow, Cornwall, England
Mary Netherton Wife Married Female 47 1804 - Cornwall, England
Richard Netherton Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Taylor Lanlivery, Cornwall, England
Samuel Netherton Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Lanlivery, Cornwall, England

St Winnow is just South of Lostwithiel
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Menawinke, Lanlivery, Bodmin, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Netherton Male 35 1806 Cornwall, England
Mary Netherton Female 35 1806 Cornwall, England
Richard Netherton Male 9 1832 Cornwall, England
William Netherton Male 3 1838 Cornwall, England
Ann Netherton Female 70 1771 Cornwall, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NETHERTON, SAMUEL WILLCOCK
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in OF BODMIN Volume 09 Page 51

Bodmin RD covered Llanlivery

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Cornwall Marriages

First name(s) William
Last name Netherton
Birth year -
Marriage year 1831
Marriage date 8 Oct 1831
Parish Lanlivery
Place Lanlivery
Groom's first name(s) William
Groom's last name NETHERTON
Bride's first name(s) Mary
Bride's last name WOOLCOCK
County Cornwall
Country England
Record set Cornwall Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Same family 1871 - perhaps working at his trade while on "Gardening leave" if his unit not actively engaged anywhere

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Raglan Road, Plumstead, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Netherton Head - Male 27 1844 - Cornwall, England A Carpenter
J D Netherton Wife - Female 31 1840 - Hampshire, England
W E Netherton Son - Male 3 1868 - Hampshire, England
H Albert Netherton Son - Male 1 1870 - Kent, England


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NETHERTON, WILLIAM EDWARD LEDFORD
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in DOVER Volume 02A Page 818

NETHERTON, HENRY ALBERT LEDFORD
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 879

Gro Army Birth Indices (1881 To 1965)

First name(s) Lucy Alice
Last name Netherton
Sex Female
Birth year 1881
Place Gibraltar
Country Gibraltar
Organisation Armed Forces
Source Gro Army Birth Indices (1881 To 1965)
Archive
General Register Office
Archive reference BARM
Record's year range 1881
Page 67
Line number 202
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

1901 census posted earlier shows Samuel as a Carpenter

and here the 1891 for the family -

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Eglinton Road, Plumstead, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Netherton Head Married Male 47 1844 Carpenter And Joiner Lanlivery, Cornwall, England
Jane L Netherton Wife Married Female 52 1839 - Blackwater, Hampshire, England
Ellen F Netherton Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Dressmaker Woolwich, Kent, England
Lucy A Netherton Daughter Single Female 9 1882 Scholar Gibraltar
William F Pellet Nephew Single Male 18 1873 Builders Apprentice Islington, Middlesex, England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
NETHERTON, ELLEN FLORENCE LEDFORD
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 989