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Oops , at least I made you laugh. lol. x

Had to read that twice..... still giggling at the typo :-D :-D

BIG THANK YOU to nameslessone and ArgyllGran for all your help. xx


Edited lol

ArgllGran, Yes I have the marriage cert and she is classed as a widow.

Well, if that's the right George at 4 Manor Road, he was still alive in 1963, if not later.

Perhaps Alice divorced him? Or had him decared dead if she hadn't had any sign of him for years?

Or else that's not him at 4 Manor Road.

Do you have the 1953 marriage cert to see what her marital status was?

ArgyllGran,
Wow thank you.
It seems to fit that this is my grandad, eg, age, occupation etc.BUT,
That has thrown up a curve ball.

As a child I lived next door to my nan and her partner who I called 'Uncle Harry' .(You didnt ask questions when you were little lol.)
In 1953 she married the said Harry so I presumed her husband (George Tucker) had died although how she would have found out I do not know. :-S

The 1939 man in 1938 - witih the Rudges: Can't say if this is definitely your grandfather or not, of course.

George Henry Tucker
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George Henry Tucker
Electoral Date: 1938
Street Address: 4 Manor Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes
County or Borough: Uxbridge, England
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0661

Nobody else of voting age named Tucker at that address - ie - no wife, although he's listed as married in 1939 Register.


He's still at that address in 1945 - with the Rudges, and peter & Ivy Bade:

:George H Tucker
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George H Tucker
Electoral Date: 1945
Street Address: 4 Manor Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes
County or Borough: Finchley, England


And still there in 1949.

and in 1951, with the Rudges, Bades, and Charles Blower.

George H Tucker
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George H Tucker
Electoral Date: 1951
Street Address: 4
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes and Harlington North
County or Borough: Hayes and Harlington, England


And 1959:

George H Tucker
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George H Tucker
Electoral Date: 1959
Street Address: 4 Manor Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes and Harlington South
County or Borough: Hayes and Harlington, England
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/1026



And 1963, with Rudges:

George H Tucker
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George H Tucker
Electoral Date: 1963
Street Address: 4 Hesa Road [Manor Road on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hayes and Harlington South
County or Borough: Hayes and Harlington, England
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/1126

Working backwards in hope of then working forwards -

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Tucker George H Robertson Willesden 3a 533



Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
ROBERTSON Alice St. Saviour 1d 361
Tucker George Henry St. Saviour 1d 361


George Henry Tucker
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: George Henry Tucker
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1878
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1899
Marriage Place: Walworth Common, Southwark, England
Father: George William Tucker
Spouse: Alice Robertson
Register Type: Parish Register


???
George H. Tucker
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George H. Tucker
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: George W. Tucker
Mother: Sevena A.Or Serena Tucker
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Mawbey Rd
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration District: Camberwell
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Piece: 700
Folio: 49
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
George W. Tucker 34
Sevena A.Or Serena Tucker 32
Charles W. Tucker 9
Catharine A. Tucker 7
Florina E. Tucker 3
George H. Tucker
William Pettinger 19
Jane Bradshaw 56
John Lord 29


George Tucker
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George Tucker
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1880
Father: George Tucker
Mother: Selina Tucker
Birth Place: Camberwell, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
Residence Place: Camberwell, London, England
Registration District: Camberwell
Sub registration district: St George
ED, Institution or Vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Piece: 493
Folio: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
George Tucker 43
Selina Tucker 41
Florence Tucker 13
George Tucker 11
Rose Tucker 8
Constance Tucker 7
Annie Tucker 5
Jessie Tucker 2


Ancestry suggests this might be him in 1939:

George H Tucker
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: George H Tucker
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1880
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 4 Manor Rd
Residence Place: Hayes and Harlington, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Bootmaker Heavyworker
Line Number: 9
Schedule Number: 199
Sub Schedule Number: 7
Enumeration District: BJCA
Borough: Hayes and Harlington
Registration district: 127/2
Household Members Age
Florence Rudge 50
Arthur T Rudge 24 [ Arthur J on image ]
[4 closed records ]
George H Tucker 59


The DOB of the man in 1939 above would fit the birth reg of the George in the censuses:

TUCKER, GEORGE HENRY mmn COOK
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 878


Parents' marriage:

Levena Cooke
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Levena Cooke
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 14 Dec 1870
Marriage Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Father:
Henry William Cooke
Spouse:
George William Tucker
FHL Film Number: 1041659
Reference ID: p 21 cn 42


Unfortunately there are lots of deaths for men named George H Tucker, of the right YOB.

Alice Eliza
Last name Arthur
Death year 1953
Death date 03 Sep 1953
Probate year 1953
Probate date 17 Oct 1953
Residence town -
Registry London
County Essex
Country England
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019

to Name: Marie Georgina F J Tucker

Name: Marie Georgina F J Tucker
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1912
Registration Date: Jan 1996
Registration District: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex

Name: Maria G Tucker
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1912
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 327
Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Domestic Duties
Line Number: 37
Schedule Number: 56
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: BXHR
Borough: Willesden
Registration district: 129-2
Inferred Spouse:
George H Tucker
Inferred Children:
Antony A Tucker
Household Members

Name: George H Tucker
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1919
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 327
Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Chauffeur
Line Number: 36

Name: George Henry Tucker
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1913
Registration Date: Jul 1980
[Aug 1980]
[Sep 1980]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex

Name: George Henry Tucker
Baptism Age: 2
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1913
Baptism Date: 27 Oct 1915
Baptism Place: England, St Luke the Evangelist, West Kilburn, Westminster
Father:
George Henry Tucker
Mother:
Alice Tucker
Schedule Number: 56
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: BXHR
Borough: Willesden
Registration district: 129-2

ArgyllGran,

I have both marriage certs. I enquired at the Kew offices many years ago about this and the explanation I got was that the first marriage was not given the permission of his commanding officer so they had to go through with a second one.

I have never been able to confirm or deny this.

Is this coincidence?? Or two marriage registrations for some reason?

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Arthur Archibald Islington 1b 526
King Alice Eliza Islington 1b 526

Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
ARTHUR Archibald W. Ham 4a 629
KING Alice Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 629


Looks like the 1908 couple:

Archibald Arthur
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Archibald Arthur
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
House Number: 9
Townland/Street: Military Barracks
District: Newbridge Urban
County: Kildare
Country: Ireland
Electoral District: Newbridge Urban
Relationship: Head
URL:
Household Members Age Relationship
Archibald Arthur [no age or birthplace given ] Head
Alice Elizabeth Arthur 28 Wife - England

He was a corporal with the Army Service Corps - but your grandfather was also in the ASC..

More ER results:

Archibald and Alice Eliza are also together at the same address in 1921.

Slightly odd in both 1921 and 1923 -
probably it's just the way the address has been typed, on two lines - but against Alice's name it says 10 Star Cottages, and against Archibald's it says Burwood Road.

If following the same pattern as for other married couples on the ER, one would expect either "10 Star Cottages, Burwood Road" against each name, or else the address for the first one and "Do." for the other partner.
But it's likely just the way it's been typed.



Archibald and Androniki are at 26 Cardinals Walk, Hampton in 1961, as well as in the 50's.

nameslessone, Thank you so much for the 1923 ER. I thought my Nan came back to Essex straight after the war. More intrigue.

ArgyllGran, of course, thank you. Foggy brain today lol.

ER means Electoral Roll

A bunch of death certs might help.

nameslessone, That George Henry Tucker is right as he is my dad.

Sorry being thick but what does ER mean.

I found his grave and found out that he had been living in Twickenham in the 50's.I dont know who this Androniki was or Fataini only that I believe they were of Greek origin so presumed he met them and came back to England with him. Androniki is listed as being his wife but as far as I know he was not divorced from my nan.(wife in name only.lol )

AmG we crossed.

It was on Ancestry as were the ER's mentioned.

I wonder if Fatini was connected to Androniki.

Edit: I have just read through the old thread. Hampton & Twickenham are side by side in Middlesex. So the Archibald/Androniki ER is likely to be correct.

A previous post by AnnMarieG about Fatini:

https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1206825

Further info copied from that thread:

"my grandad [Archibald Arthur ] was in the army and my nan,grandad and my mum lived in malta until 1914 when my nan and mum came back to england but my grandad didnt."

Did you ever send for Fatini's death cert, AnnMarie?

As you said Fatini and Archibald were friends in the same care home, perhaps her name is on his stone because she had no family to erect a stone on her actual grave, ??

ADDED:
However, you're not asking about her on this thread!