Genealogy Chat

Re the illegitimate child Fred , aged 1 on the 1891 census, with Susan (posted on page 1) .

Posting his birth again for ease of reference:

BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY -
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43


He's Pawley in 1901, because his mother Susan married George Pawley - so presumably, in view of of his middle name, his father was George Pawley:

Susan Pawley
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Susan Pawley
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: George Pawley
Birth Place: St Germans, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Landrake and St Erney
Ecclesiastical parish: Landrake St Erney
Town: Landrake
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: St Germans
Sub-registration District: Saltash
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 2189
Folio: 18
Page Number: 9
Household Schedule Number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
George Pawley
Susan Pawley 46
Frederick G Pawley 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Stanley H E Pawley 8
Elizabeth E Pawley 6


Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
Bastard Susan St Germans 5c 77
Pawley George St.Germans 5c 77


He remains Pawley (and with the middle names) in his Royal Navy record 1909-1910; and in 1911 census (waggoner, and farm work).

He joined the Lancashire Hussars Yeomanry in 1914.
1917, transferred to 18th Battalion, King's Liverpool Regiment.
21/03/1918 - POW in Germany.
Released 19/12/1918/

Sallow complexion, grey eyes, brown hair.
Height: 5' 7"


There's a possible marriage in Surrey in February 1918 (a solder, with no middle names, but father's name George ), and death in Surrey in 1945 - but again no middle names. Aged 25 at marriage, and 54 at death.

His army record doesn't detail any leave in Feb 1918, so not sure if this can be him or not.

However, the only other Frederick Pawleys I can see were two born in 1892 -
one in Leicestershire, with no middle names, but his father was also Frederick, and he died in 1907.
The other (with middle names Henry G R) was born in Rochford, Essex, with father Frederick, and he died in 1925.

Depends what newspaper article you're looking for, Laura.

Hardly any of the helpers here use GR for research, though the ERs are useful.

Tell us what you're looking for, and I'm sure someone will be able to help.

Oh Thankyou for searching this.. that would make sense....

I think I will track down the possible fathers of his brothers though see if can find a connection to their mother... been such a mystery for soo long... I can’t not look into this further...

Can the rest of you See the newspaper articles on this site or is it just me that can’t?

I don't think you'll ever know William Theodore Bastard/Besterd/Basford's father's name.

He may have been named after Susan's brother Theodore, who seems to disappear from records after 1861 - maybe died?:


Susannah Brunona Basterd
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Susannah Brunona Basterd
[Susannah Brunona Bastard]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Basterd
Mother's Name: Susannah Basterd
Gender: Female
Where born: Hessenford, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St German
Ecclesiastical parish: Hessenford
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: St Germans
Sub-registration District: St Germans
ED, institution, or vessel: 4c
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 14
Piece: 1524
Folio: 55
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Basterd 39
Susannah Basterd 39
Martha Ann Basterd 10
Theodore Basterd 8 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Henry Basterd 6
Susannah Brunona Basterd 3
Joseph James Basterd 3/12


Birth:

BASTARD, THEODORE mmn HORTOP
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in ST GERMANS UNION Volume 05C Page 48


Theodore Bastard
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Theodore Bastard
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Jun 1852
Baptism Place: Hessenford, Cornwall, England
Father:
William Bastard
Mother:
Susan Bastard
FHL Film Number: 1595568
Reference ID: item 4 p 58


The brother Joseph died in 1863:

BASTARD, JOSEPH 2
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in ST GERMANS UNION Volume 05C Page 33



Her other brother Wiliam Henry survived to adulthood:

William H Bastard
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William H Bastard
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: St Germans Cornwall England
Civil parish: St Martin
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Looe
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 2243
Folio: 36
Page number: 2

He's in all the later censuses , with various spellings of the surname - or at least different transcriptions on Ancestry - Bustard/Bestard/Bastard /Bartard.
He married and had several children - and died in 1935:


William H Bostard
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William H Bostard
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: abt 1854
Registration Date: Jul 1935
[Aug 1935]
[Sep 1935]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: St Germans
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 33

Thankyou soo much. Trying to keep up...

Think I’m going to hunt down Theodores in st Germans next ??

???

Day Month 06-Oct
Year 1803
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Lesnewth
Groom Fn Henry
Groom Sn BASTARD
Groom Age
Groom Residence sojurner
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Ann
Bride Sn BETTISON
Bride Age
Bride Residence sojurner
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Samuel
Witness Sn1 Langford
Witness Fn2 John
Witness Sn2 Elson
Other Information
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Mike Gabriel

sojurner (temporary resident)

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hessenford, St German, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Henry Bastard Male 60 1781 Cornwall, England Ag. Lab
Ann Bastard Female 55 1786 Cornwall, England
Nicholas Hore Male 25 1816 Cornwall, England
Jane Hore Female 20 1821 Cornwall, England
Henry Hore Male 20 1821 Cornwall, England
Henry Hore Male 1 1840 Cornwall, England
James Pengally Male 8 1833 Cornwall, England

Day Month 14-Jun
Year 1887
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Landrake
Forename James Henry
Surname BASTARD
Sex
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename
Mother Forename Susan
Residence Landrake Churchtown
Parish
Status Or Occupation Single woman
Where Baptised
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Angela Wood

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Day Month 12-Jun
Year 1889
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Landrake
Forename Frederick Edward George
Surname BASTARD
Sex
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename
Mother Forename Susan
Residence Landrake Churchtown
Parish
Status Or Occupation Single woman
Where Baptised
Notes Private
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Angela Wood

https://cornwall-opc-database.org

Day Month 19-Feb
Year 1884
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Landrake with St. Erney
Forename William Theodore
Surname BASTARD
Sex
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename
Mother Forename Susan
Residence Landrake Church Town
Parish
Status Or Occupation Single Woman
Where Baptised
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Angela Wood

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)
Bastard William St Germans 9 121 <<<<<<<<<
Crossman Joanna St Germans 9 121
Hortop Susannah St Germans 9 121 <<<<<<<<
Trevethan Isaac St Germans 9 121


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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hessenford, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Bastard Head Widower Male 75 1776 Ag Lab Kingsbridge, Devon, England
William Bastard Husband Married Male 26 1825 Ag Lab St Germans, Cornwall, England
Susan Bastard Wife Married Female 27 1824 - Talland, Cornwall, England
Martha Bastard Daughter - Female 0 1851 - St Germans, Cornwall, England

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BASTARD, MARTHA ANN HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ST GERMANS UNION Volume 09 Page 115

GRO now working.

Three illegitimate births_

BASTARD, ALBERT EDWARD CLATWORTHY -
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 38


BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY -
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43

BASTARD, JAMES HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in ST.GERMANS Volume 05C Page 44


Albert Edward may be a son of Bessie/Elizabeth.

the 2 births that AG posted - from GRO

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY -
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43

BASTARD, WILLIAM HENRY CROSSMAN
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 33

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BASTARD, SUSANNA PENINAH HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 46

BASTARD, ELIZABETH ANN HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 53

BASTARD, MARY KITTY HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 50

Possible births of the grandsons in 1891 census above:

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
Bastard William Henry St. Germans 5c 33


Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
Bastard Frederick Edward G P St. Germans 5c 43


Can't get GRO site to work at the moment (keeps giving me an error message ) , so don't know if these are more illegitimate children of Susan or not.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
BASTARD William St. Germans 5c 63
Lord Anne St. Germans 5c 63


He didn't wait long to remarry -

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1866 (>99%)
Bastard Susan 41 St. Germans 5c 27

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Pillaton Village, Pillaton, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas V Pearce Head Married Male 35 1846 Master Carpenter Empl 1 Man & 2 Boys Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Ann T Pearce Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Landulph, Cornwall, England
John T Pearce Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Florence Pearce Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Rosina Pearce Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Olive A Pearce Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Horace C Pearce Daughter Single Male 1 1880 - Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Susan Bastard Servant Single Female 25 1856 Domestic Servant St Germans, Cornwall, England <<<<<<<

Wow this is all amazing !!!! Thankyou soo much <3 <3 <3

Susan Bestard
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Susan Bestard
Gender: Female
Age: 33
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1858
Father: William Bestard
Child: Henry Bestard
Fred Bestard
Birth Place: St Germans, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Landrake with St Erney
Ecclesiastical parish: Landrake
Residence Place: Landrake, Landrake with St Erney, Cornwall, England
Registration District: St Germans
Sub registration district: Saltash
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 1808
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bestard 67
Susan Bestard 33
Henry Bestard 4 - grandson
Fred Bestard 1 - grandson

Elizabeth and Mary are probably sisters living with parents William and Ann in 1871 in St Germans (EDIT - plus Susan)

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Narkurs, St German, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bastard Head - Male 47 1824 - Cornwall, England
Ann Bastard Wife - Female 50 1821 - Devon, England
William Lord Step-Son - Male 23 1848 - Devon, England
John Lord Step-Son - Male 20 1851 - Devon, England
Susan Bastard Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Cornwall, England<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Bastard Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Cornwall, England
Mary Bastard Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Cornwall, England

His birth certificate would name his Mother

In 1881 there are these Bastard families in Landrake -

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Landrake Village, Landrake with St Erney, St Germans, Cornwall, England
.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bastard Head Widower Male 55 1826 Ag. Lab. St Germans, Cornwall, England
Mary Bastard Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Ag. Lab. Daur St Germans, Cornwall, England

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Landrake Village, Landrake with St Erney, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Panter Head Married Male 45 1836 Farmer Of 136 Ac. Emplg. 3 Lab & 1 Boy Landrake, Cornwall, England
Mary P Panter Wife Married Female 44 1837 Farmers Wife Landrake, Cornwall, England
Hannah R J Panter Daughter Single Female 28 1853 Farmers Daur Landrake, Cornwall, England
John P B Panter Son Single Male 16 1865 Farmers Son Landrake, Cornwall, England
Minnie M Jones Visitor Single Female 10 1871 No Occ. Landrake, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Bastard Servant Single Female 17 1864 Serv. Domestic St Germans, Cornwall, England