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thank you for the info you have kindly sent me

Here's a link to the GRO site, for ordering certs;

https://www.gro.gov.uk

For future reference - ou have to register, and then order, quoting the reference numbers for the particlular cert you want to order.

BUT
in this particular case, as ErikaH points out, we have not been able to find a death record for William, so we can't tell you the reference numbers, or even his place of death - so you can't order, unfortunately.

No-one on here has yet been able to find his death

Certs cost £11.00 from the GRO. Don’t buy from anywhere else, or you may get ripped off

yes it wasnt hiwilliam henrys death cert so ive got to buy one who do i contact in devon also what do they cost now

On 18th May at 10;21 you posted on here that you have the certificate. Are you now saying that was not true?

The two certificates I have are his grandparents/great grandparents

I will have to get a copy of death certificate for this information. :-D

I do not wish you to e-mail it to me. Please just post the information on here so that ALL can see

Name
Date of death
Age at death
Place of death
Details of person registering the death

erika h can i email it to you

You said you had the death cert - but you haven’t posted the details. Please do so.

thank you al for your help it gets very interesting everyday :-)

Adeline and John must have separated.
Adeline is also calling herself widowed in 1891:


Adalina Boswarva
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Adalina Boswarva
Gender: Female
Age: 72
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1819
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Plymouth, St Andrew, Devon, England
Registration District: Plymouth
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 1733
Folio: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Adalina Boswarva 72 - widow, living on own means
Charles Coyte 24 - boarder, single, bank clerk

Looking for Elizabeth in 1891, came across her father.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Paris Street, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male John R Boswarva Head Widower Male 71 1820 Clerk Plymouth
Male Henry G Boswarva Son Single Male 24 1867 Clerk London, Middlesex, England
Male Frank Boswarva Son Single Male 14 1877 Steward ship London, Middlesex, England
Male Charlie Boswarva Son Single Male 14 1877 Clerk London, Middlesex, England


But his wife dies in 1900.

Adaline E
Last name Boswarva
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1819
Age 81
Death quarter 1
Death year 1900
District Plymouth
County Devon
Volume 5B
Page 233

1888 reference to his being a boiler maker confirms that it's the right person, IMO

???

'Before the Devonport magistrates yesterday, W. H. McDowall. a tramp, was charged with obtaining food and lodging the 17th August from W. H. Cawsey by false pretences. The Mayor, the magistrates' clerk, and the head constable had ...'
12 September 1888 - Western Morning News - Plymouth, Devon, England

The case was dismissed and the Mayor advised the prisoner to leave town as soon as he could as he had been very lucky.


Now I have no idea if all these reports pertain to the same person or if they are your ancestor but it sounds as if after his first wife died, he struggled and his second marriage doesn't seem to have gone anywhere

???

Register Of Summary Convictions
Record set Devon, Plymouth Borough Records 1519-1905
First name(s) William Hy
Last name McDowell
Event year 1884
County Devon
Country England
Place Plymouth
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 1540/1

Deserting children, 3 months

Devon, Plymouth Prison Records 1832-1919
Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) William
Last name McDowell
Age 41
Birth year 1847
Event year 1888
Event date 21 Nov 1888
Event place Plymouth Prison
Occupation Boiler Maker
Place Plymouth
County Devon
Country England
Event type Plymouth Prison Register - Male & Female Prisoners
Year range 1888-1891
Archive reference 3040/2
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office

14 days

Devon Social & Institutional Records
Devonport, Devon, England
First name(s) William H
Last name McDowell
Age 28
Birth year 1848
Occupation Labourer
Year 1876
Residence 15 Duke St Devonport
Place Devonport
Disease or accident Catarrhal Opthalmia
Admission date 26 Feb 1876
Treatment duration 2
Discharge date 28 Feb 1876
Result Relieved
Recommending governor Urgent
County Devon
Country England
Publication Devonport: Royal Albert Hospital and Eye Infirmary; Admissions and Discharges
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 606/4/11
Record set Devon Social & Institutional Records

???

William H. McDowell was charged with improper conduct in tbe Granby Lines that morning. The case was proved by Amelia Turner, housemaid, and Mr Iremonger, house steward at The Royal Albert Hospital. Prisoner, against whom there were four convictions for similar offences at Devonport, Plymouth and Roborough, was sentenced to 3 months hard labour.
19 May 1898 - Western Morning News - Plymouth, Devon, England


?? charged with vagrancy, sentenced to 3 months.

Event type Register Of Summary Convictions
Record set Devon, Plymouth Borough Records 1519-1905
First name(s) William Henry
Last name McDowell
Event year 1898
County Devon
Country England
Place Plymouth
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 1540/1


Charged with vagrancy, sentenced to 3 months.

Register Of Summary Convictions
Record set Devon, Plymouth Borough Records 1519-1905
First name(s) William Henry
Last name McDowell
Event year 1886
County Devon
Country England
Place Plymouth
Archive
Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 1540/1

This is the newspaper announcement for the man who died in 1897.

McDOWALL-On the 27th ultimo, at 16, Cotchele Villas, Stoke, William McDowall, Chief-Inspector of Machinery R.N., only son of the late Peter McDowall, Esq., R.N., aged 63 years. No flowers. by request
03 April 1897 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England


So this man.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cothele Villas, Palmerston Street, Devonport, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
William McDowall
Head
Married Male 57 1834 Chief inspector of machinery retired Scotland
Female
Annie White
Servant
Married Female 28 1863 General servant domestic Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Oh dear, don't like this new format on fmp :-(