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The certificate I received (11 years ago!) gives my 2nd Great Grandfather's name as George Dunn - Chainmaker - but all subsequent research strongly suggests that he was Joseph Dunn - Chainmaker. The certificate was issued in 1843 and both participants were widowed. Has anyone experience or knowledge of names being incorrectly entered during that period? I have sent a query off to the GRO but don't hold up much hope of them resolving the matter.

I have known all manner of mistakes on certificates, but the man may have used a different name, at that time.

Where was the marriage so that other members can possibly check for a parish record ?

have you looked for the man’s baptism to find out what name he was given by his parents?

I assume you are 100% certain that the marriage cert is for your proven direct ancestor?

The GRO won’t be able to help

The info on any certificate is at it’s given to the local registrar or church record of a marriage

If you give some more details helpers can perhaps find the correct person.

Who was your Gt Grandfather - when and where was he born, please give as much info as you can. Are you sure this is your ancestor.

Have you found him on census - details please

What details does the certificate you have give - names, ages, place, occupations, witness names etc

There were only three George Dunn marriages in 1843 in England/Wales.
in Durham, Bradford, and Basford reg districts.

Still looking for a Joseph Dunn, chainmaker, in or near one of these places. . . . .

ArgyllGran
I was on that track yesterday, too............

I note that although Malcolm has been a member of GR for some time, he is possibly new to these boards, so I sent him a message asking him to reply on this thread with more information.

This one ?
1851 census
George Dunn
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Northallerton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
Town: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Stockton
Sub-registration District: Yarm
ED, institution, or vessel: 20e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 92
Piece: 2383
Folio: 329
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dunn 32
Ann Dunn 30
Mary Jane Dunn 8
William Dunn 5
John Dunn 2


Possible first marriage
U
George Dunn
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1838
Marriage Place: West Acklam,York,England
Spouse:
Ann Hall
FHL Film Number: 573984


Maybe not as his occ was labourer

That man's an engine driver, Shirley, not a chain maker.

Malcolm's trying to link the marriage to a Joseph Dunn, chain maker.

As a newby to this site many thanks for all your replies.
Gwyn - The marriage cert. was issued in Handsworth, Staffs. The 1841 Census is particularly interesting as this lists Joseph Dunn, wife Mary & Wenesy/Henry whose age is rounded up to 30. But at the top of the same page is Susannah Hodgetts in the same street listed 2 years prior to her marriage to Henry Dunn!
Joseph is listed as a Shoe Maker but leather was also used in the Chain & Hame Maker Trade. The address will be well known to us Brummies - Bordesley St which is adjacent to Park Street. An area in which several Dunn's plied their trade as Chainmakers. Joseph is featured in an 1839 Wrightson's Directory as a Chainmaker at 34, Bordesley Street.

With regard to Baptisms. I have found Henry 1809, Joseph 1811 and Mary 1814 baptised to Joseph & Mary at a Presbyterian Church in Cradley, Staffs. As all other services relating to the Dunns appear to be C of E maybe this is because Chainmaking was a major industry in Cradley and this seemed to be a convenience. Obviously I need some more clarification on this matter.

In response to an earlier question my Great Grandfather was George Drew 1845-1890 who married into the Dunns - Charlotte Dunn 1852-1906. I have a photo of Charlotte but cannot see where to attach it to this post.

There is no marriage record of a George Dunn in 1843 in Staffordshire, on FreeBMD or Ancestry.

Who did he marry?

1841 for our reference:

Joseph Dunn
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Joseph Dunn
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: St Martin
Hundred: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St Martin
Neighbors:
Piece: 1142
Book: 3
Folio: 26
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Dunn 60
Mary Dunn 60
Wenesy Dunn 30

1861 for Charlotte who later married DREW

Name: Charlotte Dunn
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Dunn
Mother's Name: Susannah Dunn
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingm, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 186
Piece: 2145
Folio: 78
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Dunn 51
Susannah Dunn 54
Emily Dunn 14
Charlotte Dunn 9

re Henry Dunn, Joseph's son -

Trees on Ancestry don't mention a second marriage for Joseph.
Joseph's (first?) wife Mary nee Birch, apparently died in 1853.

She's still with him in 1851:

Mary Dunn
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Mary Dunn
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1778
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Dunn
Gender: Female
Where born: Drayton
Civil Parish: Birmingham St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 62
Piece: 2053
Folio: 498
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Dunn 72 - chain maker
Mary Dunn 73
Mary Wellington 32
Henry Wellington 7

So Joseph couldn't have been marrying in 1843,in Staffordshire or anywhere else.

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Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Handsworth
Church name (Links to more information) St Mary
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 247
Marriage date 18 Dec 1843
Groom forename Henry
Groom surname DUNN
Groom age full age
Groom condition widower
Groom occupation Chain maker
Groom abode Handsworth
Bride forename Susannah
Bride surname HODGETTS
Bride age full age
Bride condition widow
Bride abode Handsworth
Groom father forename George
Groom father surname DUNN
Groom father occupation Chain maker
Bride father forename Thomas
Bride father surname ROBERTS
Bride father occupation Malt mill maker
Witness1 William CRUMP
Witness2 Mary Ann CRUMP
Notes All sign X except groom
Transcribed by Jane W
File line number 247

Malcolm -
the information you are giving us is confusing.

Your Gr-grandfather was George Drew, who married Charlotte Dunn.
Charlotte was the daughter of Henry Dunn, son of Joseph Dunn the chainmaker.

Have I understood that correctly?

If so, Henry Dunn is your gr-gr-grandfather, not Joseph .
Joseph would be your 3 x gr-grandfather.

So it was Henry and Susannah who married in 1843:

Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
DUNN Henry W. Bromwich 18 664
Hodgetts Susannah W Bromwich

Where did you get the name George?

EDIT:
Oh, I see - it's the groom's father's name.


Probably just a mistake on the part of the registrar / church clerk.

Event Type Census
Name Henry Dunn
Sex Male
Age 46
Event Date 1851
Event Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Registration District Birmingham
Birth Year (Estimated) 1805
Birthplace Birmingham,
Marital Status Married
Occupation Hame Maker
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Page Number 31
Piece/Folio 2053 / 662
Registration Number HO107
Henry Dunn's Spouses and Children
Hannah Dunn
Wife
F
40
Birmingham,
Thomas Dunn
Son
M
20
Birmingham,
Mary Ann Dunn
Daughter
F
16
Birmingham,
Elizabeth Dunn
Daughter
F
14
Birmingham,
Emily Dunn
Daughter
F
4
Birmingham,

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DUNN, EMILY ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 327

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Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Wolverhampton
Church name (Links to more information) St Peter
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Marriage date 31 Oct 1836
Groom forename Henry
Groom surname DUNN
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname HANCOX
Witness1 Diana PARKS
Witness2 John BIDDULPH
Transcribed by Jonathan Maxfield
File line number 316

Event Type Census
Name Henry Dunn
Sex Male
Age 25
Event Date 1841
Event Place Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Registration District Wolverhampton & Seisdon
Birth Year (Estimated) 1812-1816
Birthplace Staffordshire
Page Number 4
Piece/Folio 1001/25
Registration Number HO107
Other People on This Record
Elizabeth Dunn
F
30
Thomas Dunn
M
2
Staffordshire
William Dunn
M
0
Staffordshire
Hannah Hancox
F
15
Staffordshire
Ann Parkes
F
15
Staffordshire