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Florence61 Report 13 Sep 2021 14:44

I have been on a quest this morning to locate May's birth in 1893 as it stated on 1901 census but as has been mentioned, i cannot find any trace at all. i searched on Free BMD on Syrett and mmn of Pitcher plus i just put May Miriam without a surname but cannot trace the birth. How very strange, the plot thickens!

I also searched on Family but to no avail

Strange though how on both marriage certs, the 2nd one gives may's surname as Syrett and a spinster even though they did marry first in 1921? He also says he is a batchelor too??

Guess Ive come to the end of this twig on the tree as cant think of anything else to search and the mystery of the 2 marriages and different names will still be a mystery.

Thanks for all your help & time looking. Much appreciated

Florence in the hebrides

Im completely baffled by it all considering i just wanted to find out if they had children and was there a living line but have ruled that out now.


Florence61 Report 13 Sep 2021 13:31

Very similar maybe a year different


ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2021 21:52

Do the ages given for Bert in 1921 and Bertie E in 1933 correspond?


Florence61 Report 12 Sep 2021 19:31

Thanks for that info ladies. I have been looking at both marriage certs and the first marriage in 1921 gives the groom's father Bert Evans as a Brewers Drayman.
in the 2nd marriage in 1933 it gives the groom's father as Edward William Taylor(deceased) a Publican.

i have tried to find separate births but there are many with the same name and even the areas etc

im wondering if this groom's father is actually the same person strange as it would both occupations are similar?


ArgyllGran Report 12 Sep 2021 18:49

Just for information, although of course not relevant in this English case -

Scottish death certs give the parents' names (including mother's maiden name) and father's occupation, also names and occupations of spouse(s) - if the informant knows these details.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 12 Sep 2021 17:59

Not a UK one :-(

Since 1969, a place of birth should be given on a death certificate, but that information, as ever, depends on the informant's knowledge.

A death certificate for a child will usually refer to them as for example,

William SMITH aged 2, son of Henry SMITH, greengrocer


Florence61 Report 12 Sep 2021 17:42

Does a death certificate give any details of the deceaseds parents or their exact date and place of birth?

Florence in the hebrides


Florence61 Report 7 Sep 2021 14:32

Well i have today received the 2nd marriage cert between
Bertie Edward Taylor and may Miriam Syrett 16th Aug 1933.

It is the same people that married in 1921 as the parents names are the same!!

So I simply cannot think of any reason why they married in 1921 and then again in 1933 but Bertie changing his surname to Taylor. It is most perlexing.

But to answer whether they had any children, I dont believe they did at all. So this twig of the tree is now defunct and i can leave it to rest.

Thanks to all for you help and info, as always very much appreciated.

Florence in the hebrides

Edit, re your last post Shirley, who knows. She gave Syrett as the children's surname before she married Henry Syrett so who can actually say that he was the father of the others too although she named him as their father? I guess some things we shall never find out.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Aug 2021 17:46

So was Hannah May ‘s. mother or was Henry Syrett May’s father ?


ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2021 16:59

Yes, I saw May's birthplace on the 1901 census - but can't find an actual birth record.

However, will leave it there as you request.


Florence61 Report 26 Aug 2021 16:53

Yes. sorry just seen you response. yes a very complicated family history which i have researched on other threads so dont want to go over it all again. Hannah was a very colourful character, couidnt spell, read or write.(told a few fibs too!)
On the 1901 census, it shows marys age and birthplace there.

Anyway heres hoping the marr cert shows something.

Florence in the hebrides


Florence61 Report 26 Aug 2021 16:50

Argyll gran, yes i have all those details already ty. Mary died aged 12 and harry was killed young in the war sometime. I have ordered the marriage cert so hope it doesnt take too long to arrive.

Florence in the hebrides


ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2021 16:48

I don't see May's birth in Bromley area.

Hannah was using the name Syrett before the marriage:

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
COVAIONDON Hannah Pain W. Ashford 2a 1730
Syrett Henry W. Ashford 2a 1730


ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2021 16:24

If that 1901 is correct -

births of siblings:

GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in HOLLINGBOURN Volume 02A Page 741

GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in MILTON Volume 02A Page 863

Hannah's grand-daughter Clara:

GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WEST ASHFORD Volume 02A Page 857

Hannah herself:

Hannah Pitcher
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Hannah Pitcher
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1854
Baptism Place: St George's Chrch, Ramsgate, Kent, England
Father: John Pitcher
Mother: Eliza Pitcher
FHL Film Number: 1835587
Reference ID: item 1 p 191

1871 census - living in Ramsgate with her parents and siblings - YOB given as 1857.

Hannah Pitcher
in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Hannah Pitcher
Date of Trial: 20 Oct 1871
Trial Year: 1871
Location of Trial: Kent, England [ Deal ]
Sentence: Imprisonment [ 4 months for larceny ]


Florence61 Report 26 Aug 2021 16:05

Well ladies, thanks for the info, very helpful. I cant understand why they changed their names to Taylor though?
I may order May's death certificate or the Taylor marriage cert as that will confirm if it was indeed the right people.
May was born in St marys cray(Bromley area).

I have been doing this family tree for years but wanted to see if there was a living line with this marriage as the other siblings died young except for one and i have all those details.
Once i get the certificate, ill come back and let you know.

Thanks again for your help

Florence in the hebrides

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Aug 2021 15:57

Still looking

So is this May

May Syrett in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
6, Forge Lane, Ashford, West Ashford, Kent, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah Syrett Head Married Female 50 1851 Hawker Ramsgate, Kent, England
Sophie Van Covenden Daughter Single Female 20 1881 Hawker London, Middlesex, England
Harry Syrett Son - Male 10 1891 - Sittingbourne, Kent, England
May Syrett Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Kent, England
Mary Syrett Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Kent, England
Clara V Covenden Grand daughter - Female 0 1901 - Ashford, Kent, England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Aug 2021 15:38

The Winslow births are probably this couple

Marriages Dec 1917
Evans David Syrett Winslow 3a 2087
Syrett Alice L Evans Winslow 3a 2087

And the Aylesbury ones as found then together on the 1939 register


ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2021 15:36

Bert E and May M in 1945:

Bert E Taylor
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Bert E Taylor
Electoral Date: 1945
Street Address: 34 Uplands [ 34 Eustace Place on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency: Woolwich
County or Borough: Newham, England

Still there in 1953.
Various different mistranscriptions of the address in different years.


ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2021 15:21

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Whiting Rose Maud Shoreditch 1c 119

Rose Maud Whiting
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Rose Maud Whiting
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1893
Baptism Place: St Michael and All Angels, Hackney, Hackney, England
Father: William Henry Whiting
Mother: Sarah Annie Whiting
Register Type: Parish Register


ArgyllGran Report 26 Aug 2021 14:49

Beatie Edward William Taylor
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Beatie Edward William Taylor
Gender: Male
Age: 0
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1891 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Baptism Date: 18 Aug 1891
Baptism Place: Essex, England
Father: Edward James Taylor
Mother: Louisa Taylor


Hmmm, maybe not Bertie Taylor after all, unless bigamy was involved:

Albert Edward William Taylor
in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935
Name: Albert Edward William Taylor
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1891
Marriage Place: Little Ilford, St Mary The Virgin, Essex, England
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1923
Father: Edward James Taylor
Spouse: Rose Maud Whiting [ Father: William Whiting ]

BUT I don't see Rose Maud and Bert in 1939, whereas Bert with the same DOB is with May Miriam in 1939 - and from 1934 on ER, although 1934-36 she's listed as May Marian.