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Thank you once again ArgyllGran for the additional information.

What a sad little family, although not that unusual for that time.

Now I have something more concrete, I can go ahead and order certificates in the knowledge that they are the 'right' ones.

Best Wishes.

Looks like Joseph senior died just before Sarah:

FLUIN, JOSEPH 42
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 184 Occasional Copy: A

No wonder the family broke up.

Son Charles, returned to birth surname ??

Charles Cooper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Charles Cooper
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Country: England
Street Address: Royal Sailors Rest, 74 -174 Commercial Road, Buckingham Street, and Chardos Street)
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Stoker
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration District: Portsea and Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 30-35
Piece: 5590

The family seems to have split up after Sarah's death (if not before) :

Rosina:

Rose Fleien
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Rose Fleien [ Fluin on image ]
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Country: England
Street Address: St Marys Home, 40 Martell Road, Dulwich SE
Occupation: School
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration District: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Piece: 2136


Young Joseph:

Joseph Fluin
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Joseph Fluin
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Gender: Male
Birth Place: N K
Civil Parish: Gravesend
Country: England
Street Address: Gravesend Barracks, Including Military Hospital, Gravesend
Marital status: Single
Rank: Boy
Military Unit: 1st Battalion D Of Corn L I
Registration District Number: 44
Sub-registration District: Gravesend
ED, institution, or vessel: 19-21
Piece: 3832


Edith Fluir
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edith Fluir
[Edith Fluin]
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Islington
Country: England
Street Address: 266 Upper Street, Islington, London N
Marital status: Single
Occupation: General Servant
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration District: Islington South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 930


Joseph senior ( can't see him in 1911); Joseph junior, Edith, Rosina, and Henry all in the Workhouse:

Joseph Fluin
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Joseph Fluin
Admission Age: 37
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: 1865
Admission Date: 24 May 1902
Admission Place: Islington, Islington, London, England



Joseph senior alone "returned from one week's pass":

Joseph Fluin
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Joseph Fluin
Admission Age: 37
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: 1865
Admission Date: 4 Jun 1902
Admission Place: Islington, Islington, London, England

Sarah's children as listed in 1901 census:

??
COOPER, CHARLES GEORGE -
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 314

FLUIN, EDITH MAUD mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 314

FLUIN, JOSEPH mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 320

FLUIN, ROSINA mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 279

FLUIN, HENRY mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 263



Don't know whose child this is .
It doesn't seem possible that he's Joseph & Sarah's child, but I don't see another Fluin/Cooper marriage:

FLUIN, FREDERICK mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 248


Frederick Fluin
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Frederick Fluin
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Islington, London, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1901
Inferred Death Place: London, United Kingdom
Volume: 1b
Page: 200

Oh dear I havent even taken my coat off yet!

I have just looked at Emma's marriage lines, which someone kindly sent me, you are right Sara's name is a bit flowery. I always thought it was Atkins.

Oh I have read ArgyllGran's post on Sarah Fluin.

That address would also fit, the family never moved more than a mile away, staying within Islington as far as I know.

So she did go on to have another family, she had a child when she was in her teens and the child was raised by the grandparents.

Just read back again.

I am more interested in Sarah. But I thought that Wm Lewis would be an easier name to research.

Sarah's parents were Geo. Cooper and Mary Ann Green.

I have her birth certificate, along with that of her sister Jessie.

Home again.

Well thank you both Erika and Argyll Gran. All your information has certainly given me something to think about, somewhere along the lines I have taken a misturn.

Yes indeed Emma did marry Jos Randall.

Great confusion with this line, as sister's given names were not the names they were known as, apart from Emma. They were also known as Sally, Tootsie and Polly!

Somehow I have been chasing my tail down a blind alley.

Sarah seemed to have disappeared as far as I was concerned. As it is a common name, I have wasted a lot of time, searching and ordering certificates.

Thank you both for your time, patience and information. I am very grateful.

ErikaH -

Yes, I would say Sarah Fluin is definitely the witness name on Emma's marriage cert.

In your opening post you said:

"1881 and 1891 Pleasant Passage, Islington."

Who?
George Cooper and family were in Campbell Road in 1881.
William Lewis (I believe) was in Highbury Park.




??? With a Louisa Cooper

George Cooper
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George Cooper
Electoral Date: 1921
Street Address: 11 Pleasant Passage, Hollow
Ward or Division/Constituency: Islington
County or Borough: Islington, England


Still there in 1924.

George is there without Louisa in 1925 and 1926

???

Deaths Jun 1929 (>99%)
Cooper George 79 Islington 1b 321

That looks very much like a possibility for the indistinct surname on Emma’s marriage cert in 1900……….groom Joseph Randall

??? As you say, Sarah Cooper is a very common name - but maybe a possibility???

Marriages Sep 1892 (>99%)
COOPER Sarah Islington 1b 669
Fluin Joseph Islington 1b 669


Sarah Fluiss
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sarah Fluiss
[Sarah Fluin]
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Joseph Fluiss
Birth Place: Islington, London, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 5 James Street
Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Lower Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors:
Piece: 173
Folio: 89
Page Number: 22
Household Schedule Number: 110
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Fluiss 36 - bricklayer's labourer
Sarah Fluiss 28 - charwoman
Charles Fluiss 9
Edith Fluiss 7
Joseph Fluiss 5
Rosina Fluiss 3
Henry Fluiss 7/12



Sarah Fluin
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Sarah Fluin
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place: Islington, London, United Kingdom
Death Date: Jun 1906
Inferred Death Place: London, United Kingdom
Volume: 1b
Page: 123

A later post

Sorry Erika I seem to have gone awry somehow. Thank you for you time and postings. Back to the drawing board, I seem to have taken a wrong turn somehow.

My understanding is the the OP is connected to the Coopers and wants to trace Sarah after 1891

EMMA born1879 is in her GR tree

What was Sarah's mother's maiden name?

Although the opening post seems to be primarily about Sarah, William is the title subject of the thread

At 13:37 the OP said:

"Thank you Erika. I think I have the 1901, and believe he was born in 1860, so any of the interim would be great. I really want his parents. Thanks."

I believe I have posted them - Thomas and Mary Ann.


Motowngal -
who do you want to know about?
William or Sarah?

Purely for interest

Name: Emma Cooper
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Birth Date: 4 Apr 1879
Admission Date: 14 Apr 1886
School: Maidstone Street School
Father: George Cooper
Notes: Maidstone Street School opened in 1874. Renamed Sebright School in 1951

William L Lewis's aunt Clara Harriet, who is with him in 1911:

Clara Harriett Lewis
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Clara Harriett Lewis
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Oct 1838
Baptism Place: St James, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father: Thomas Lewis
Mother: Eliza Susan Lewis
Register Type: Parish Register



Clara Lewis
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Clara Lewis
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration District: Amwell
Neighbors:
Piece: 659
Book: 8
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lewis 35
Elisa Lewis 30
Thomas Lewis 12
William Lewis 9 - [ William L's father ]
Elisa Lewis 7
Ann Lewis 4
Clara Lewis 3
James Lewis 1
Charles Stewart 20
Sarah Alley 15


Clara Hart Lewis
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Clara Hart Lewis
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lewis
Mother's Name: Eliza Susan Lewis
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration District: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 109
Piece: 1517
Folio: 224
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lewis 44
Eliza Susan Lewis 43
William Ain Lewis 19 [ "William dix do." on image, when you know what you're looking for ]
Eliza Sarah Lewis 18
Ann Elizah Lewis 14
Clara Hart Lewis 12
James Ain Lewis 11
Josh Brester Lewis 9


Parents' marriage:

Thomas Lewis
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Thomas Lewis
Gender: Male
Record Type: Bann
Marriage Banns Date: 1827
Marriage Banns Place: St Sepulchre, Holborn, City of London, England
Spouse: Eliza Susan Dix
Register Type: Parish Register


Clara's still with her parents in 1861 and1871; then with her widowed mother in 1881, and with her married niece Edith L Fink (nee Lewis - William L's sister ) in 1901.

Sarah Ann Cooper being sought has no connection with Lewis

One of the witnesses to her sister Emma's marriage was a Sarah.....................can't decipher the surname

William Lander Lewis
in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Lander Lewis
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Islington, London, England
Civil Parish: Monken Hadley
Country: England
Street Address: Felday, Woodville Road, New Barnet, Herts
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Painter Artist
Registration District Number: 131
Sub-registration District: Barnet
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Piece: 7148
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lander Lewis 50 - painter, artist
Clara Harriett Lewis 72 - aunt, single
Ellen Elizabeth Garrett 52 - visitor, married, London, Holloway
Alice Boston 27


Willam L Lewis
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Willam L Lewis
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1860
Residence Date: 1939
Address: Edmondsham
Residence Place: Wimborne and Cranborne, Dorset, England
Occupation: Private Means, artist (Retired)
Line Number: 8
Schedule Number: 16
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: WLNM
Borough: Wimborne and Cranborne
Registration district: 259/3
Household Members Age
Jon Carroll 65
Evelyn F Carroll 45
Willam L Lewis 79


Death:

LEWIS, WILLIAM LANDER 82
GRO Reference: 1943 J Quarter in BLANDFORD Volume 05A Page 235


William Lander Lewis
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: William Lander Lewis
Death Date: 17 Jun 1943
Death Place: Dorset, England
Probate Date: 25 Aug 1943
Probate Registry: Llandudno

Probate to Reginald Sillifant Garret, retired Indian Railway officer.

Reginald is the son of Ellen Elizabeth Garrett who is with William in 1911.

Reg: S Garrett
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Reg: S Garrett [Reginald Sillifant Garrett]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 9 May 1881
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 92
Residence Place: Poole, Dorset, England
Occupation: Loco Supt India (Rtd)
Line Number: 43
Schedule Number: 325
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: WKES
Borough: Poole
Registration district: 261-2
Household Members Age
Ellen E Garrett 79
Reg: S Garrett 58
??: E Green 29


GARRETT, REGINALD PILLIFANT mmn PILLIFANT
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 428