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Looking for information on Barbara after 1911, nothing on records
born 1877 leith midlothian
spent most of her life up until 1911 on sanday orkney
Father Robert Watt born dalkeith
Mother Margaret Watt nee Wallace born sanday orkney
Sisters Ann,Jessie,Elizabeth
Brother Robert

help much appreciated

Look for info using Scotland's People website, when it is back online

If ,as your post implies, she was still single in 1911, look for a death or a marriage

Have just tried to log into Scotland's People but the message "Safari can't find the server" is coming up at present. Google says NRS buildings will remain open and on site services will continue following the death of HM.
Amokavid also having problems logging in (see General Chat board)

Maybe the reason that online services are unavailable?

Scotland's People website is probably where most of us would start looking - if she didn't marry, there may be a death search showing which hopefully would include mmn amongst other details.

You would be able to view and download a pdf of the death certificate if over 50 years ago. You would need to purchase credits on the site - 30 for £7.50 and it would be 6 credits to download a record.

There may also be possible marriages to check.

Have you considered the Orkney Family History Society..

Genuki Orkney will give lots of information where records ca be found. There is even a page for Sanday.

I can only see her in Sanday in 1881 and 1891 on FMP

Perhaps you'd post later census transcriptions for info for the helpers

Thank you for the helpful replies.

I have tried Scotlands People and the orkney site, no luck

Any mention of her in the Orcadian? Probably available in the British Newspaper Archive.

Mike

Please C&P 1911 census to which you refer

1881 for INFO
Lyland Cottage, Cross & Burness & North Ronaldshay, Sanday, Orkney, Scotland
Robert Watt Head Married Male 30 1851 Grocer Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland
Margaret Watt Wife Married Female 35 1846 Grocer's wife Cross, Orkney, Scotland
Margaret Wallace Step daughter Unmarried Female 16 1865 Dom servt Orkney, Scotland
Elizabeth Watt Daughter - Female 11 1870 Scholar West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland
Jane Watt Daughter - Female 9 1872 Scholar South Queensferry, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Robert Watt Son - Male 6 1875 Scholar Armadale, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Barbara Watt Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Leith, Midlothian, Scotland

Barbara Watt
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Barbara Watt
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Robert Watt
Mother's Name: Margaret Watt
Gender: Female
Where born: Leith, Mid-Lothian
Registration Number: 26
Registration district: Sanday
Civil parish: Cross and Burness and North Ronaldsay
County: Orkney
Address: Dalkeith
Occupation: Grocers Assistant
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 17
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_5
Household Members Age Relationship
Robert Watt 39 Head
Margaret Watt 42 Wife
Jane S Watt 19 Daur (Daughter)
Barbara Watt 13 Daur (Daughter)
Ann Watt 6 Daur (Daughter)
David Dearness 21 Serv (Servant) <<<<<<<<<


Marriage ??:

WATT
BARBARA G
DEARNESS
DAVID
1898
692/1 128
Leith North



Barbara Dearness
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Barbara Dearness
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: David Dearness
Gender: Female
Where born: Leith, Edinburghshire
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Paul
County: Midlothian
Address: 5 Albert St
ED: 33
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1901_373
Household Members Age Relationship
David Dearness 31 Head
Barbara Dearness 24 Wife
David Dearness 1 Son
Robert Dearness 1 Mo Son
Mary Dearness 28 Visitor


Barbara W Dearness
in the Edinburgh, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1966
Name: Barbara W Dearness
Residence Year: 1950
Street Address: Springfield Street 14
Residence Place: Edinburgh, Scotland

[David not listed with her in 1950.]



Death:

DEARNESS
BARBARA G
78
1955
685/2 521
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

Death also listed under Watt:

WATT
BARBARA GARRIOC(H)
78
1955
685/2 521
St Andrew (Edinburgh)



Barbara Watt Dearness
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Barbara Watt Dearness
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1955
Burial or Cremation Date: 16 Sep 1955
Burial or Cremation Place: Edinburgh, Scotland


Don't know where the middle name Garrioch comes from.
The actual certs might explain .

No middle name at birth:

WATT
BARBARA
F
1877
692/2 545
Leith South

1911 -

DEARNESS
BARBARA
1911
F
33
692/2 29/ 13
Leith South
Midlothian

She's with David 41, John 1, William 7, David 11, Oliver 4, and Robert 10.

Death of son Oliver:

DEARNESS
OLIVER DREVER
68
mmn WATT
1975
738/ 68
George Square

His marriage:

DEERNESS
OLIVER DREVER
ADDISON
WILLIAMINA M F
1935
685/10 365
Leith South

If the poster knew where she was in 1911, he must have known who she married :-S :-S

That's what I thought, and so, looking at this again in the cold light of day, I now don't think that the 1950 ER which I posted last night is for the correct woman, and possibly not the burial either.


There was a Barbara Watt Dearness born in Edinburgh/Leith in 1917, who died in 1950, and is probably the woman on the 1950 ER.

Two of that name were born in 1928 (or maybe one registered in both Edinburgh and Leith) -
one or both of whom may be this woman:

MS Barbara W Dearness
in the UK, Electoral Registers, 2003-2010
Name: MS Barbara W Dearness
Birth Date: 1927-1929
Residence Date: 2005-2010
Address: 1/2, Pier Place, EH6 4LP
Residence Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland


To make matters more confusing, there were Dearness families on Sanday in various censuses, and these deaths:

DEARNESS
BARBARA
66
1944
026/ 2
Sanday


DEARNESS
BARBARA
43
1919
026/ 8
Sanday


The 1898 marriage cert is needed, to see if it's the correct one or not - but the Dearness family in 1901 seems very feasible and David Dearness was lodging with Barbara Watt's family in 1891.

To put my own mind at rest, I've had a look at the marriage cert, and it IS the correct one:

21 September 1898, at 7 Laverockbank Terraced, Trinity, Leith.
David Dearness, cab driver, bachelor, 28.

David's address: 14 North Junction St, Leith.
Parents: David Dearness, crofter, and Jessie Dearness, ms Muir

Barbara G Watt, spinster, 21.

Barbara's address: 4 Admiralty Street, Leith.
Parents: Robert Watt, master grocer, and Margaret Ann Randall Watt, ms Wallace.



So the 1901 and 1911 censuses and 1955 death are the right ones, but probably not the ER .
Not sure about the burial - though it's the same year as the death, so could be OK.
There's no other death of a Barbara Dearness in Scotland in 1955.

Thank you for your help.
The information I was given was wrong she ws not on the 1901 or 1911 census for sanday.
I managed to find a marriage certificate on line for Watt/Dearness She appears to have adopted a middle name, her mother has more middle names, her father has a different occupation and it is all suspect. I know a David Dearness worked as a servant for her father.
Her adopted middle name is an old orcadian family. I have contacted a member here about their family tree and hope to get some clarification

You say Barbara's father's occupation had changed.

In 1881 he's a grocer.
In 1891 he was a "grocer, baker and farmer".
In 1898 he was a grocer.
In 1901 he's not with Margaret, but Margaret (then living in Dalkeith, Edinburgh) is a "Grocer merchant's wife".


No change there, to my mind.

Robert seems to be in Stronsay in 1901, with son Robert, and listed as "farmer"
- but he was also a farmer in 1891, and in small crofting communities most people had (still have) more than one job.

Barbara's husband David has the same place and year of birth as the one who was lodging with her family.


Strangely, I don't see any record of Margaret's death - unless it's this one:

WATT [also listed as WALLACE ]
MARGARET JANE
83
mmn SCOTT
1928
031/ 9
Stronsay

but this is her probate:

Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace Watt
in the Scotland, National Probate Index (Calendar of Confirmations and Inventories), 1876-1936
Name: Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace Watt
Death Date: 13 May 1928
Death Place: Stronsay
Confirmation Date: 26 Jun 1928
Confirmation Place: Kirkwall, Scotland

WATT, Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace or [Watt], Eden Villa, Stronsay, Orkney, died 13 May 1928 at Stronsay, testate.
Confirmation Kirkwall, 26 June to Ann Livingstone Watt, Eden Villa aforesaid, Executrix.
Will dated 12 February 1919 ,recorded Kirkwall 25 June 1928.
Value of estate: £2127 : 2 : 1.


Ann Livingstone Watt is her daughter, born 1884 Sanday, and died unmarried, 1973 Aberdeen.

WALLACE
MARGARET ANN
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
18/06/1844
026/
30 65
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

??siblings

WALLACE
JOHN
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
M
28/02/1847
026/
30 73
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
BARBARA
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
06/09/1839
026/
30 55
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
BETSY
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
22/04/1837
026/
30 51
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
ELIZA
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
21/10/1849
026/
30 78
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
JEAN
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
15/02/1842
026/
30 61
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Midgarth, Stronsay, Orkney, Scotland

James Scott Head Married Male 88 1763 Farmer of 40 acres & 100 heath emplg 5 servants Orkney, Scotland
Barbara Scott Wife Married Female 76 1775 Farmers wife Cross, Orkney, Scotland
William Scott Son Unmarried Male 35 1816 Farmers son Cross, Orkney, Scotland
Elizabeth Scott Daughter Unmarried Female 32 1819 Farmers daughter Cross, Orkney, Scotland
Betsy Wallace Grand child Unmarried Female 14 1837 House maid Cross, Orkney, Scotland
John Brodie Servant Unmarried Male 20 1831 Farm servant Orkney, Scotland
John Tarphens Servant Unmarried Male 11 1840 Cow herd Orkney, Scotland