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Denburybob Report 12 Oct 2023 19:26

After all this time I am still trying to find out what became of Amy Spencer, born 1888 in Braughing, Hertfordshire. She disappears after 1912 and I can find no further trace of her.. If anyone can find her in the 1921 census and point me in the right direction I would be grateful.


alviegal Report 12 Oct 2023 20:26

So in 1911 she is in the workhouse in Lincolnshire. Where is she in 1912?

First name(s) Amy
County Lincolnshire
Last name Spencer
Country England
Sex Female
Registration district Sleaford
Birth year 1889
Registration district number 416
Age 22
Sub-district Sleaford
Age as transcribed 22
Sub-district number 2
Relationship to head Inmate
Enumeration district number 22
Marital status Single
Archive series RG14
Occupation Formerly domestic servant
Piece number 19648
Employment status 0
Schedule 9999
Birth place Herts Braughing
Census reference RG14PN19648 RD416 SD2 ED22 SN9999
Birth place as transcribed Herts Braughing
RG 78 piece number 1178
Institution description The Sleaford Union Workhouse

I see from a tree on ancestry she had 3 children, Cicely Marshall b Grimsby 1909-1932, Harry b Bishop's Stortford 1910-1911 and Grace b Bradford 1912-1993. All born Spencers.


Kay???? Report 12 Oct 2023 20:33

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
Spencer Amy B. Stortford 3a 459.

her birth.\?


alviegal Report 12 Oct 2023 20:38

Grace is at Address Miss Steers Cottage Homes For Little Girls Chingford Road, Chigwell, Essex in 1921. (states mother living, father N K)

and Cicely

1921 Census Of England & Wales
25, St Hugh Street, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
John Wand Head
Male 1859 62 Leicestershire, England Black Smith Stricker Ruston & Horbyes & Lincoln
Elizabeth Wand Wife
Female 1858 62 Spalding, Lincolnshire, England - -
Bertie Hebb Wand Son
Male 1896 25 Lincolnshire, England Studiying For A Manual Wood Work Instructor Lincoln Education Authority
Cecily Marshall Spencer Adopted daughter
Female 1909 12 Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England - (states father dead)


alviegal Report 12 Oct 2023 21:00

I believe this is Grace in 1939 (middle name is Faith)

1939 Register
199 Harrow Road, Maida Vale, City Of Westminster, Paddington, London, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Lillian Metcalfe 25 Apr 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 149 1
Violetta Metcalfe 09 Jun 1906 Female Waitress Single 149 2
Thomas Leo Metcalfe 18 Apr 1925 Male Parcel Checker Single 149 3
Grace Fay Shaw (Spencer, Mullinger) 19 Jul 1912 Female Clinical Work Single 149 4

Amy is proving very elusive. Do you have a date of birth for her?


Kay???? Report 12 Oct 2023 21:10

1921 census,

Herefordshire, England

Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
Spencer Amy Bardsley Nottingham 7b 708.

Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
Bardsley Harry Spencer Nottingham 7b 708.

Purely a wild guess......only because same birth area,same birth year and same name..........marriage cert would hopefully give a fathers name. to cross ref with..

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Bardsley Alec H Spencer Nottingham 7b 624.

Bardsley Alec H 0 Nottingham 7b 309


alviegal Report 12 Oct 2023 21:16

Well done does have Braughing as a place of birth.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
16, Buxton Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Harry Bardsley Head
Male 1876 44 Hurst, Lancashire, England Messenger, Labourer Cooks Record Officer Nottingham Labour Crop Record Officer
Amy Bardsley Wife
Female 1888 32 Herefordshire, England Home Duties


Kay???? Report 12 Oct 2023 21:24

;-) :-D

the search seems over, ;-)


alviegal Report 12 Oct 2023 21:30

Sadly seems to be the one and only child of the marriage.

First name(s) Alec H
County Nottinghamshire
Last name Bardsley
Volume 7B
Sex Male
Page 309
Birth year 1916
Country England
Age 0
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 4
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1916
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Nottingham

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Bardsley Alec H Spencer Nottingham 7b 624


ArgyllGran Report 12 Oct 2023 23:31

Another marriage??

Marriages Sep 1936 (>99%)
Bardsley Amy Stevenson Nottingham 7b 1230
Stevenson John Bardsley Nottingham 7b 1230

??? YOBs are often a year or two out in 1939 Register:

Amy Stevenson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Amy Stevenson
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 27 Oct 1890
Residence Date 1939
Address 104 Linton Rise
Residence Place Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number 33
Schedule Number 246
Sub Schedule Number 2
Enumeration District Rmdj
Borough Nottingham
Registration district 430-2 32a
Inferred Spouse
John Stevenson
Household Members (Name) Gender
John Stevenson Male
Amy Stevenson Female

Do you know her exact DOB?
She was baptised on 8 Nov 1888.

Deaths Sep 1954 (>99%)
Stevenson Amy 65 Nottingham 3c 312


greyghost Report 12 Oct 2023 23:35

Alec Hy Bardsley buried 13 December 1916 General Cemetery, Nottingham aged 2 months. Buried with 8 others. Grave No. 0/3269

Full details from -

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Denburybob Report 13 Oct 2023 11:02

Thanks for all the help. Grace was my M-in-L and lived with us for the last couple of years of her life. Amy's son Harry died in 1911 aged just 14 months. Cecily Marshall died aged 23 in 1932, unmarried. I have the death certs. (On her birth cert she is shown as Cicely Marshall Spencer) The 1921 census entry looks interesting, especially the "adopted daughter" bit. I shall have to look up that family later. Meanwhile, please, no back history as I have done extensive research and have the family back several generations. I also know what happened to Amy's parents and some of her siblings, and have met up with a second cousin of my wife, who is Amy's granddaughter. Many thanks, once again.


ArgyllGran Report 13 Oct 2023 11:26

Any thoughts on the possible Stevenson marriage for Amy?


Denburybob Report 13 Oct 2023 11:27

Amy's DOB 27th October 1888. In Braughing, Hertfordshire, (not Herefordshire)


ArgyllGran Report 13 Oct 2023 11:29

In that case, that does appear to be Amy's marriage, 1939 entry, and death.

YOBs are often slightly wrong on the 1939 Register, as I said, but the days and months are mostly correct.


Denburybob Report 13 Oct 2023 12:12

I am having trouble getting on to the GRO for a copy of the marriage cert. All sorts of other sites want to do it and charge lots of money for the privelege. I am getting a bit to old and confused I suppose.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 13 Oct 2023 12:30

GRO here


ArgyllGran Report 13 Oct 2023 12:40

Log in (or register first, if you haven't already done so).
Click "Place an order" in menu at right of page.

Where was event registered? England.
What type of event? Marriage
Year in which event was registered? 1936
Tick "I know the GRO Index Reference".
Party 1, surname: Bardsley
Party 1, forename: Amy
Party 2, surname: Stevenson
Party 2, forename: John
Quarter: July/Aug/Sept
District name: Nottingham
Volume number: 7b
Page number: 1230

Then choose service options - presumably you want a Standard Cert for £11, sent by post.
Quantity: 1
Your reference: leave blank if you don't want to enter a reference, such as "Amy".

Click "Submit"
Enter your delivery details.
Click "submit".
Click "Continue to payment".


Denburybob Report 13 Oct 2023 18:55

All done. Certificate ordered. I am just a bit rusty, I will soon get the hang of it.


Denburybob Report 27 Oct 2023 13:46

The marriage cert arrived today. It is indeed "my" Amy. She is described as a spinster, and her father is Henry Spencer, a Head Kennelman..