Genealogy Chat

I think we have covered that Tracey - it seems Matilda was very likely Matilda Ulph from Norfolk, as set out on the previous pages here.

Just wait and get the birth cert - but I think we have found the right girl in Matilda Ulph (if she just gave her name to the registrar at the birth, he would be very used to Londoners dropping the "H" at the beginning of words and the name, Ulph is rare as it is - so Im 99.9% sure that he recorded Hulf for the name Ulph.

Oh and just to confuse matters LAURA COLMAN is apparently a cousin of some sort to RONALD COLMAN... the 1920's actor... but again wouldn't know where to look...

thanks
Tracey

Good Morning...

i have slept on everyone's suggestions... was wondering if i should start at the begining again??
but here is what i have, this will show you how i got to where i am...
my nan was an Austin having many siblings
JOHN 1890,WILLIAM 1892, JAMES C1897, CHARLOTTE (LOTTE) C1899, ESTHER ANNIE ( MY NAN) 1901, LAURA MATILDA HARIOTT 1906, BESSIE C1908, ETHEL 1909, ARTHUR C1910 and SIDNEY 1911.( which we never heard of)
Their parents were JOHN AUSTIN 1865 and LAURA COLMAN they married in 1888. JOHN 1865 siblings were ARTHUR 1870, ELIZABETH 1872, ROSETTA 1875 and HENRY 1877... Now this is where i get stuck... i believe that there parents were JOHN HENRY AUSTIN and MATILDA AUSTIN formerly
HULF...

Thanks again
Tracey

Heather the olny info i have is the what i have in front on me and that is the birth certificate... i don't have a lot on the Austins either...

thanks Tracey

Potty...

thanks for that suggestion... i will order Rosetta's certificate and see what comes up...

thanks for the time...
Tracey

Unfortunately there are a few possibles in 1851 - shame about the marriage cert .............

Got to get some work done for OH - will check back later in the hope some bright spark has found the marriage :)

POSSIBLE for John in 1851 - rightish area and he is shown as a plasterer's labourer, so a short step to being a house painter?:
9 Bond Court
Name: John Austin
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington

Civil Parish: Westminster St John The Evangelist
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Austin 48
Fredk Austin 9
James Austin 16
John Austin 14
Richard Austin 12

OR: Dad is a grocer

Name: John Austin
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 176
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Austin 7
Charles Austin 7 Mo
Emily Austin 3
George Austin 60
John Austin 14
Susan Austin 38
Susan Austin 12
Ann Goodman 15
Anna Stones 51
Mary Warren 65
Mary Warren 35


Dad a cabinet maker:
Name: John Austin
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 213
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Austin 19
Eliza Austin 21
Elizabeth Austin 42
Jane Austin 18
John Austin 45
John Austin 15
William Austin 6

Good thought Tom but I think its the sound that has confused the recorder - she has said Ulph and he probably thought shed dropped the H.

All supposition as yet. Be worth getting that other birth cert to check the spelling again. But as far as a marriage goes :( I guess weve tried Austen for the groom?

Looks like John Henry Austin died Mar qtr 1892 aged 53, Chelsea district, ref. 1a 361 (Matilda was a widow on the 1901 census).

In the 1800's an 's' was written as an 'f', so it could possibly be Huls or Hulls.

Tom

Could be them, Mary and Maria seem to be pretty interchangeable dont they. We seem to be possibly doing ok on the maternal side but didnt Tracey want the info on John Austin's lot?

Tracey, when you say you have the defo baptism on John, was that parish records - did that not give his parents?

On Familysearch there is a baptism of a Matilda Ulph on 09/10/1836 at Hainford,
father: Robert Ulph, mother: Maria Beck, so just too early for Free bmd.

Carolyn

If you find that the Matilda Ulph aged 4 on the 1841 census is the right one, the family has been mistranscribed as Uffit on the 1851.

Carolyn

Unfortunately, still no marriage showing up :( Can anyone else have a look please as I have to get off now - it may be possible the birth is too early for reg and the marriage didnt happen or has been really badly mistransed.

Have to shoot Tracey, dinner to dish up - but just sort out all the info here and then think of another direction to go :) Ive got couples marrying 20 years after the first child.

Andy has beaten me to it, I was going to suggest Ulph for Matilda's maiden name. My husband has some Ulphs from Norfolk (Tunstead and Honing parishes from memory).

Carolyn

1841:

Name: Matilda Ulph
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Hainford
Hundred: Taverham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: St Faiths
Sub-registration district: Sprowston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Ulph 7
Emil Ulph 10
Mary Ulph 15
Matilda Ulph 4
Robert Ulph 40
William Ulph 12

If you are looking for the Ulph family - freereg is brilliant:

http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl

Sorry, had to dash, family arrived. How we doing?

Oh, yes, Ulph could be a good one. St Faiths is near enough to Norwich

Did you look at the image?

Might this be Matilda in 1841?

Matilda Ulph
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Female
Where born: Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Hainford
Hundred: Taverham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: St Faiths
Sub-registration district: Sprowston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Ulph 7
Emil Ulph 10
Mary Ulph 15
Matilda Ulph 4
Robert Ulph 40 shepherd
William Ulph 12


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 783; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Hainford; County: Norfolk; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 7; Page: 10; Line: 24; GSU roll: 438866.


Andy

Might be worth getting the birth cert for one of the other children and comparing MMN. This looks like Rosetta's:

Births Jun 1875 (>99%)

AUSTIN Rosetta Kensington 1a 116

Good point Heather - if they never actually married, she could still have called herself Matilda Austin formerly Hulf on the birth certificate. Nobody would know she wasn't married to the father if she didn't say.

I tried Mulf - thought the H could have been misread but nothing came up.