General Chat

nudge

They can baptise, dunk me under water, venerate me or do as they wish.......I am, and will always remain what I am.......you can call me whatever you like.......I know who I am, and there is nothing anyone can do about it.....

hi

my aunt is a mormon and has been researching the tree for years now

does that mean I'll become an atheist mormon

cool!

I had contact from a distant relly in Canada, and shared my tree. I then found that all my family who had passed away were on the Morman site.

I had no idea she was going to do this, she did ask me if Cof E were Christian.

Quite a shock to see my mother on the Morman site.

Worth a look?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sDDHwV4n20&feature=related

Someone in my Turner family from Lenham, Kent, became a Mormon and travelled to Utah in the 1800s. I have found it interesting reading about the Mormons' faith, as I do of other faiths, and denominations.

I had tremendous help a few years ago from someone on the rootsweb mailing list for Buckinghamshire, regarding my mother's paternal family, who is a 4th cousin of mine and also is a Mormon.
When first I realised that my parents would be baptised into the Church of Latter Day Saints, my immediate thought was (something like) "you can't do that! they are C of E!", and felt quite indignant on their behalf. However, once I had calmed down, I realised that it was quite within the rights of my cousin to do this, but I know that my Mum and Dad will always be C of E and nothing can change that ... :-)

But in reasoning,,,its only a name they are using and the dead person will not be practing that faith or taking part in any religous cermonries,

It may not be a faith that our ancestors would have choosen,but I say again no one owns the dead,so they are not committing any legal offensive,,they may by their action be offending peoples feelings,but our ancestors are ours only in name,

Even when you die, the undertaker becomes your legal guardian for a short time,

It really isnt worth getting in a tizz or uptight over,,we know what faith they were bapt into whether they practised it is another matter so that in its self should not let this sealing stuff be a problem,our ancestors are down in for all eternity in the church records they were baptised in,so nothing will ever change that,

I didn't know the Morman church abducted our ancestors lol,...............I thought you could only be baptised once into Christianity.......this is the case with Church of England, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic (even if you religion hop).

I have all these church members in my tree...........At least that was the church in which they were baptised..........so now I find that some of them may be Mormans today (even though they're dead). Oh well, takes all sorts. Hope they are all at rest.

Quite worried now at the though of being "sealed" to my sister she hates me so will we be bashing each other for eternity. Maybe Mom & Dad will step in he he.

That makes for an interesting question Claire.
Who do they seal people to if a widower remarried?
Last week I found my great grandparents grave and was interested to see that William was buried with his 1st wife although his 2nd wife was still alive when he died.
Do the Mormons not recognise 2nd marriages after first spouse died.?

Gwyn

I'm not sure how G G Granny feels about being "Sealed" to G G Grandad when all evidence says that they hated one another.

"Sealing – This ordinance is used to seal husbands and wives as well as their children together forever in an eternal marriage. This means that marriages that are performed in LDS temples, using the sealing power of the priesthood, are not just for this life, but also for time and all eternity. Within Mormon temples sealings are performed for both the living and vicariously for the dead. "

Well said Gwyn. "Would not like them being baptised into a group that they would not have joined in life". Excellent answer.

That sums it up nicely, for me, anyway.

Tina

I think I agree with Pat and would not be happy, although uptight is perhaps a bit strong for my feeling.
If ancestors are sealed I understand the Mormons reasoning but when it comes down to people I actually knew, eg. my parents, brother, grandparents, etc. I wouldn't like them being baptised into a group that I know they would not have joined in life.

Gwyn

ha ha,mick..

well the dead belong to no one,,,,!

I will!

They are *sealing *a name not the person.that person is dead,and can only be resurected in name only,

Sorry but I can not see a problem with it,,our ancestors arent going to come back and complain,

I cant see that it makes a great deal of difference.

Personally, as long as its not me that has to wear their magic underpants, I 'm not bothered.

The Mormons baptise ancestors to bind families together for eternity. This is called "Sealing" and is one of the ordinances of the LDS church.

They also believe that those baptised after death can refuse the baptism in the afterlife, so your CoS ancestors will be able to turn down the offer and remain within their faith. (If the LDS is right in its beliefs)

My gt gt grandfather's brother converted to the LDS and moved to Utah in 1868 so many of my ancestors have been baptised and sealed.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Gwynne

I personally am grateful for all their baptisms - makes my research a lot easier. lol

Pat not unless you are related to Joseph Smith.......:}}}