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Can you believe the audacity of this man and his lawyers?-


Baby P 'stepfather' ponders appeal:

Lawyers representing Baby P's 'stepfather' have confirmed they are considering an appeal against his conviction for raping a two-year-old girl.
Tim Bittlestone, of Leslie Franks Solicitors, said: "We will go through the process with this client as we do with every client.
"We presented his defence fearlessly as we are required to do so by the rules and now we will consider the possibilities with him as to any appeal as we do with all defendants."
Legal sources suggested any appeal could focus on the age of the victim, who was the prosecution's main witness.

She was just four when she testified at the Old Bailey via videolink and questions have been raised about basing a prosecution on the evidence of such a young witness.
The defendant is facing a life sentence after his conviction for the rape on Friday.
Baby P's mother denied a cruelty charge involving the same girl and was found not guilty by the jurors, who had no idea they were trying the couple in the Baby P case.
The 32-year-old's victim, like Baby P, was on Haringey council's at risk register.
The defendant, who Baby P knew as 'Dad', was convicted with lodger Jason Owen, 36, of causing or allowing Baby P's death last November. Baby P's mother, 27, pleaded guilty to the same charge.
The child, whose first name was Peter, was found dead in his blood-spattered cot with a broken back and fractured ribs. He had 50 injuries and died despite having had 60 contacts with health and social workers over the final eight months of his life.
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He should be horsewhipped by a crowd of mothers and fathers, they would show him what they think of him.

Lizx

Rumours abound that 'there is another incident to be revealed'. That is why, even after two convictions, the man's name remains unpublished so that a further prosecution can commence.

So, the Judge will probably say: "I sentence you to life in prison plus the occasional kicking from fellow inmates, at their convenience".

Is justice incidental to law & order? Just wondered!

I once had a boyfriend who was a prison officer at Wormwood Scrubs,
Rest assured that this vile person will not have an easy life inside,
Hardened criminals will not tolerate what he has done and his life will be made as hellish as they can make it.
As i was told,,prison officers cannot be around all the time,,,,can they..?

Sally, I couldn't believe the arrogance of that woman, Shoesmith is her name?, who wanted to appeal against her sacking, she should be hiding away somewhere, I hope she can sleep at night knowing her staff helped those children stay where they were being abused so badly.

Maggie, let's hope something is done soon for the children of that b***h who doesn't deserve to be a mother. Keep us posted if you can without letting too much away if she gets investigated.

Lizxx

I think most of you have said what I wanted to about that particular piece of filth who calls himself a man......

......when I heard, it crossed my mind about the Chief Social Worker of Haringay?.....I think......who tried to get herself reinstated and to claim compensation for unfair dismissal........and that was when Baby P. came to light.......and not the further horror with the little girl......

.....how dare she even lift her head above the parapet.......Social Workers do a good job on the whole, not one which I would be any good at because I would want to punch the lights out of people who abuse children......but to be in such denial, when she is in charge......it beggars belief.......

I won't go on, I am so angry....

sally

Watch Panorama on Monday.

I agree with Badger, and the only words I have for the Stepfather and Haringey Council are unprintable, but here it is B,,,,,,s. the lot of them.

Mo

The Stepfather should be hung up by his B**** until he dies,the people in the social services that dealt with this case should all be sacked,with their pension cancelled.Fred.

Lets hope on judgement day they get there real punishment.

Liz - already done!
Before the family moved in down the road, a woman across the road used to child mind for her, and whenever their mother came to pick them up, the children used to cry and run away - strange reaction! The language - at 98 decibels - that the mother used was awful. Then they moved in.
I met a LSA from the school, whom I've known a long time and expressed my concerns to her. She said the school were already on to it - and then she told me the mother was a Social worker!!!
My friend knows if the school decides to go further, I will be an 'outside' witness.

I have always maintained that I do not support the death penalty - having just seen the BBC news coverage of this story, I would make an exception for baby P's stepfather

I am with Ann ,I will help you hold the gun.
But before we shoot him do what Kempinasunhat said and let him watch us cut it off.

Maggie, those social workers have a lot to answer for, many are so hopeless and live in a different world, and seem able to shut their eyes to children suffering. If I were you, I would have reported that woman near you a long time ago, she isn't fit to be a mother and obviously not fit to do her job if she can't cope with her own family well.

I don't know how these people can live with themselves with the cruelty they inflict on small children, that man will get all he deserves and more in prison, I hope, unless he spends all his time in solitary and even then someone will find a way.

They should put him in that nursing home I read about where an old man was nibbled by mice, let the mice at that evil bar steward while he has no clothes on....

take care
Lizx

May that little girl have a better life and be helped to cope with all that has happened to her.

What sort of 'man' regularly tortures a 17 month old boy and then rapes a 2 year old?
He's no man - he's indescribable.
And for social workers not to find any problems in a situation like this - makes you wonder what sort of life the social workers live/believe is normal!!
Social worker lives down my road - I would never speak /shout to/at my children - or even a dog - like she does hers. Even my grand daughter aged 5 at the time asked me why she was shouting at her children like that!

maggie (not the best mother/grandmother in the world)

if they are looking for someone to put a bullet in his head I'm happy to do it - and if anyone is offended by my comment, tough!!!

They can chemically castrate this form of low life - however I think this creature deserves more...
Hopefully he'll get it in prison...

how sad for that poor little girl scarred for life how long will he serve of his sentence and then probably come out and abuse more children how can you say at the end of his sentence he paid for what he did to those children makes my blood boil

An eye for an eye. Whatever he had done should be done to him. Then leave him in a bricked up cell to rot. What punishment is that - life, no punishment at all, everything laid on a plate for him.

chop it off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!