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JANEY DONT FORGET DIALECT CAN CHANGE NAMES

I HAVE FATHER IS WEAVER HIS
CHILDREN VARIE
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SPELT AS HEARD BY VICAR

I find the thread quite amusing myself. ;)

Interesting thread - Sidella/Sedella *is* a name as is Archus (usually a male first name) but Archesidella appears quite often (in terms of rare names) and fairly scattered across the Midlands. I don't know if Sidella is related to St Sidwell but it doesn't appear to be common in the West Country so probably not?

It all reminds me of a useless birth cert I got in my Hill/Monck travails -- I discovered the birth of an Erna Augusta Monch who had died shortly after as Erna Augusta M ... I forget, some other standard mistranscription of Monck. Who could she be but a daughter of my Ernest Augustus Monck?? (in a family constantly naming their children after one another) Problem was ... he'd emigrated to Australia several weeks prior. I hoped against hope it was a daughter of his sister (for whom he named his next daughter), and thus proof of life on her part.

I sent off for the certificate ... I waited 3 months like a good little Canadian ... I emailed my inquiry. It had been lost in the mail. They sent another one.

And lo and behold, the tyke really was Erna Augusta Monch, born to European immigrant parents. And the mother's name was:

Frances Ka [something]

I could just picture her (illiterate) standing there saying No, not Frances, FrancesKA, FrancesKA. And so it came to pass.

Frances Ka.

Archie Sidella. ;)

Nudge

So I'm hoping to hear Carole's thoughts today!

Fascinating. The death is registered as ARCHUS, the 1891 census shows her as ARCHUS, we have numerous other examples of that name, in combination also with ADELA / ADELLA, and we have various examples of the name ARCHESIDELLA spelled various ways, including the way Carole's family member herself was obviously known and was recorded in the 1881 census, and we know that much of the population registering births in the 1860s was illiterate ... but ARCHIE it surely must be.

Hello Janey,
Yes I did see your posting re the death record - and I used it in conjunction with the marriage record to look up John Holloway on the 1911 census. I believe that this cenus was filled in by the houselholders and if so, that was what was written on the original page - as well as on the transcription.

This does not detract from Carole's information as there are many cases where people areknown by both of their christian names - Sarah Jane being one example.

I have just looked at the 1901 image on Ancestry and there she appears to be listed as Archer - no other forename given.

It is good to exchange ideas and thoughts and facts about this strange name.

Best wishes,
Hilary

Hilary, did you happen to notice the death record I posted for
ARCHUS - S. - HOLLOWAY
???

Yes, her name was REGISTERED as "Archie Sidella" because the person taking the information down had no idea what the informant was saying: ARCHISIDELLA, or, how it all started, ARCIS or ARCHUS ADELA.

We also have the plain fact that Carole gave the woman's name as Archesidella, not Archie Sidella, so obviously she was known as Archesidella, regardless of how her name was recorded when her birth was registered.


I don't think my posts to that effect are invisible, and I haven't seen any reason yet not to give them credence.


Name: Archer Holloway
Spouse: John Holloway
Birth: abt 1869 - Brownhill, Staffordshire, England
Residence: 1901 - Brownhills, Ogley Hay, Staffordshire, England
- impossible to tell what it actually says, but it isn't Archie.


1891 per Ancestry:

Name: Aichus A Holloway
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Holloway
Where born: Brownhills, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Ogley Hay
County/Island: Staffordshire


And I read that as ARCHUS with a stray mark on the page.


I wonder whether Carole will return .........

I did google the name to see if it would show

OH had a great aunt called Vicesima ..... with some wild and wonderful versions on various records.

Googling the name told me that Vicesima was a tax in Roman days, but also meant 21 or 21st. It was used in bibles written in Latin.


Now that was exceedingly interesting, because OH's father maintained that the 20th child born to this family had died, but they had then had another child to bring the number of living children back to 20.

I believe his informant might have been child no 19 who he knew in the 1930s.

Vicesima was the youngest child, and also the only one to have more than one forename, she had 3.

I cannot for the life of me find any sign of a child dying, nor any mention in any documents



but I found the use of Vicesima very interesting ........... none of the other children have anything more than a common or garden name! Was it a hint?


Unfortunately, I got nothing more than other women with versions of Archisidella



I do like JC's explanation though ...... makes a lot of sense!



AHA


google arcis, and eventually find a translation site


Latin ...... arx , arcis = Englsih .......citadel, stronghold, fortress, keep, donjon



sylvia

Hello again,

John Holloway and Archie Seidella are on the 1911 census in Brownhills Staffs.

I wonder if it was a family name used for several generations. Might be worth checking if any of the othe Archies found are related.

JANEY


STICKS OUT TONGUE
GLOAT AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE

I DONT CARE
NA NA NA NA.......LOL

STILL LIKE MY VERSION

Well, sorry, but that really is nonsense. Archie is a male name, just a nickname for Archibald.

Name: Archie Sidella Brookes
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Lichfield
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 423

The GRO is typed.

I will bet a fair amount that the actual certificate says Archis. *Or*, and probably more likely, that -- people being illiterate as they were -- the person registering *said* "Archisadella" or "Archus Adela" and it got written down as "Archie Sidella".

And that was the spelling she was stuck with for when she married.

No one, really, named a girl Archie in 1867, and Sidella / Seidella simply is not a name.


The marriage was to Griffiths or Holloway.

Allow me to gloat:

Name: Archus S Holloway
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961
Age at death (estimated): 94 = dob 1867
Registration district: Stafford
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 463


Carole, did you actually not know how her birth, marriage and death were in fact registered??

GOOD WORK HILARY
STILL LIKE MY ARCHE SID ELLA,,LOL


WHEN YOU THINK IN THOSE DAYS
MALE NAMES OFTEN GIVEN TO GIRLS
TO KEEP NAMES GOING

IF YOU KNOW WHAT IMEAN


,,,I KNOW SHURRUP DIZZ YER RAMBLING AGAIN..LOL

Hello,

On her birth record for Lichfield District on staffordshirebmd.org.uk she is listed as Archie Sidella with mother's maiden name as Heath. Similar spelling on freebmd.org.uk. Date 1867.

The marriage record in Walsall District in 1887 she is Archie Seidella.

Brookes/Brooks are both used as surnames.

Hope this is some use. At least it would give the info to apply for the records.

MEANT TO SAY

LIKE,,OUR KID...OVERYEARS
ORCHID

HOW MANY CALLED THEIR SON

OUR KIID

OK IM DAFT ,,BUT THATS ME

THEORY AND 1800'S
NA,,,,
THEORY OK TILL PUT INTO
PRACTICE,,
BUT WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS

ANYWAY DIDNT YOU LIKE MY
,,,,IDEA,,,
LOL

So you don't like my theory, Dizzi!

I think it's a "theory" the way the theory of gravity is a "theory" -- it is the complete explanation for how the thing works. ;)

I hope Carole will give us her thoughts on it ... or anyone at all ...

THERES IS A ARCHIE AND ELLA SKIDMORE

DO YOU HAVE ANYONE CALLED ARCHIE OR ELLA IN TREE