General Chat

I am completely helpless probably hopeless as well being on the other side of the world I can but commiserate with you all.
I have to admit Joyce has had more than her fair share of problems with her health and the loss of a younger member of the family takes some beating.
It does sound as though she has broken her toe and that does mean plaster or a moonboot will probably be the next "step." (oh groan)

Caz you are in the lap of the medical profession and I do hope that things improve for you... I just hope that by the time my children and grandchildren are older there is some cure for the dreaded C other than chemotherapy etc that make you feel like a washed out dishcloth at the time.

We have a doctor here born in China to a poor family, he wanted to improve his lot and Australia accepted him to go to Med. school but told him that once he attained his degree he would have to leave. Aussie's loss was our gain he has been working with children born with those strawberry birthmark tumours - one little one had one right beside her eye and as it was getting larger it would damage her eye and she would lose it. He alleviated it with treatment that the parents have to apply in liquid form with a syringe by mouth - it is made from BP medication and the little girl is running around everywhere now with no sign of the mark.

Medicine is improving in leaps and bounds both here and in OZ. So here is hoping.

Persie xx

Hi Sallie, it's awful when you are on the phone with Joyce and she gets upset, I get upset with her then but she has so much going wrong just lately. It does sound as if she has broken her toe doesn't it. Yes she is right in that I am feeling poorly, it's the chemo that's making me feel ill but it is working, I can feel one of my lumps has gone down, my back is behaving itself for the time being, thank goodness.

Love Caz xx

Hi Caz.

I spoke to Joyce earlier on, she was upset , I just felt so helpless and just wish there was something I could do to help her.

Like you, I'm wondering if she has broken her toe, with running her scooter over it. She's hoping to see the doctor tomorrow, so let's hope that he can find out what the trouble is, as it's been going on a long while.

Joyce told me that you are feeling poorly, so I hope that you will feel a little bit better very soon Sending lots of positive thoughts to both you and Joyce.

Love and best wishes. Sallie.xxxx

I spoke to Joyce yesterday and she is really fed up now, her other toe is badly bruised so she can't put either on the floor, she has to spend all day in bed. Jan is slowly recovering from his pnuemonia and is seeing the doctor tomorrow so whether he will be able to go back to work we will have to see. Poor Joyce really does have the worst luck, I wish things would start to pick up for them both.

Caz x

Hi Persie, sorry I haven't updated this lately, haven't been able to speak to Joyce much lately but during the week she was saying she couldn't put her foot to the ground, so altho she wanted to try, Jan was telling her not to bother vacuuming etc. She was fed up with having so much pain tho.

Lizx

Hi Liz,

Just thought I would check up on Joyce and Jan and see whether they are keeping between the white lines and looking after each other. Hope their scooter abilities have improved. LOL

Persie

Text earlier from Joyce to say Jan has pneumonia and she is fed up with everything going wrong! Can't say I blame her, her luck is worse than mine!

Will be talking to her later today so will keep you all posted.

Lizxx

Deanna, Joyce got a scooter before Christmas I think it was, but with the snow she hasn't been out on it much, and hasn't tried a few practise runs when the weather has been good. I told her to get L plates and try it up and down the road just doing turns and manoevres etc but she won't be able to with Jan laid up. As Joyce doesn't drive, I don't think she has a lot of road sense lol I bet the air is blue when she did go on it, with Jan cycling behind her, he was in front but was worried she would run into him and knock him off his bike, so he cycled behind shouting directions lol

Can you just picture it, bet the village have never seen anything like it lol

Lizx

I did not even know Joyce had a scooter....
Never get any news these days.
Out of sight, out of mind.....Upset? ME?
Yeah...........;-0(

Get well soon Joyce.
Deanna X

Thank you Liz,,, it is just about a daily bulletin of them now.... she really does not deserve this.

P xx

Just had a message to say Joyce has gout in the other foot and is unable to put it to the ground, added to which Jan is very unwell, so she is going to call the doctor.
It never rains but what it pours for our Joyce. If I hear any more news I will keep you posted.

Lizx

They are as bad/mad as each other.

Tell Joyce I am not very with it, my daughter Annagretta (Joyce has her photo) posted on facebook that "white noise was playing at her house" and 3 people put that they liked that. Me I thought oh hope they aren't playing it too loud with the little wee baby of five weeks in the house. I thought it was some sort of heavy metal band.... it turns out it is for August (she has his photo too) and it is soft sounds that are like light rain and womb sounds. He is having trouble sleeping. When I was down at their place, this nana said I would wrap him up so his arms aren't out - he has them above his head when he sleeps. They said he didn't like being bundled up... ha ha ha nana is right - they now have to wrap him up, his arm waving technique keeps waking him up.

I do hope she recovers okay....

Persie

Just had a quIck chat with Joyce and she said I can add this: (written as Joyce wrote it lol)


Hi Liz
just keeping you up todate what happen on sunday we went to jans nieces birthday,me on my scooter jan on his push bike well started off ok then jan said go left over this little bridge but me of course got off to try and push it over but had my hand on the forward button and went over my foot.the same one jan went over then we come to this little wooden fence were you have to go inbetween,told jan i couldnt do he said yes you can well i hit the fence and then hit the wall,pulling musel in my back and neck now back in bed and the pain is worse,hence im on here cant sleep but going to go back to bed,docter couldnt give me anything as im already on the morphine and pain killers but have got to wear my collar for my neck,jan was realy mad at me he twice you have been out on it and twice you have hurt yourself


I really think Joyce needs driving lessons lol
She is still in pain and nervous of trying to use the scooter again.

Lizx

Hey Persie, no worries, interesting to read other stories.

Mildred, I am sorry about your poor Grandad, an awful thing to happen to him, bless him, and sad that he died because of the consequences. I have heard more from Joyce, will ask her if I can add the story.
I think she will be careful of her toe as she is diabetic. - it was her toe not Jan's that got run over!

Yes I know what you mean re circulation... I don't have the best circulation in the world ( I am not a diabetic) and hopefully I still have a good 20 years or so left.
My father used to get such cold feet. When he was in hospital I went to the hospital linen cupboard and got out an extra cuddly (flannelette) to wrap around them. When he was at home he used to throw this heavy overcoat (he called his lambie) onto the bed. He was a tough old bird was a bushman in his younger days and used to sleep in a hut and he managed to persuade a feral cat to come and keep his feet warm at night. He lived to over 93 and like your granddad would spend the last few weeks drifiting off and he would be waving his arms around...

Sori Liz I know this is Joyce's thread but I will e-mail her direct and tell her I have been rambling on again.

Persie

No he didn't, but at 86 I would imagine his circulation wasn't the best. :o((

On the DC it said

1) Dry Gangrene
2) Heart Failure

Poor Grandad was in such pain with his toe those last few weeks, and the pain in conjunction with painkillers & poison in his body affected his mind at times.

Whilst sitting in the chair, he kept on reaching down in a grabbing motion & grimacing.

Nans penny dropped, & she said he was trying to wring the chickens necks, like he did during the war for dinner!

At times those last weeks he drifted into a sort of waking dream :o((

Can I ask Mildred did he suffer with diabetes at all?

I know of someone who had diabetes and she banged her foot ended up with gangrene and died. She did not have as good as innings as your grandad.

Persie

Sounds funny but it can be tragic.

This started in Autumn 1992.

My Nan's wheel on her wheelchair went over Grandad's toe. He had wheeled her out into their tiny kitchen, up to the sink to wash her hair. Nan shifted the wheelchair back & caught his toe.

It was sore at first, but within a few days started to throb a bit. Eventually they called in the doc who dressed it properly.
This sore toe went on for weeks, mainly uncomfortable, but to an 86 year old man, it made walking more difficult.

After Xmas his toe started weeping around the nail, Again this was dressed by a visiting nurse. The throbbing got worse over the next few weeks & he ended up in hospital.

His toe had developed Dry Gangrene.

A few weeks later 6/3/1993 he passed away.

So as funny as it seems, it can turn nasty, so I hope Jans toe makes a swift recovery & any change or worsening is swiftly dealt with.

Lol

Perhaps she should have hitched her skirt up, flashed a bit of leg and he would have given her a ride....

... goodness only knows what Jan would have done if he had been distracted probably mowed themselves into the wishing well.

Persie

Hi Persie, no I think he just wasn't used to driving it and it took off too quickly before he could tell Joyce to move lol

Lizx