General Chat

your comments are uncalled for and very rude.

but of course you know best.

Thanks Jo, will respond to your email soon, have fun with kitty lol

IGP Thanks for the link, I checked with my son's gf yesterday and she had a written care plan, just that the school didn't seem to care about sticking to it.

Suzanne, I know teachers don't have to inject a child and it wasn't a teacher doing it, in fact as I later found out and stated, it wasn't anyone but a parent or step parent doing the injections at that school, the staff did the blood sugar tests only. However it seems to be common in England at least that any staff who volunteer to help out will be trained to do the injections safely and properly and this is what will happen next term at the new school after N. has attended for the first few days to oversee things etc. I don't think you read the thread or my responses properly anyway as you can't seem to grasp that this is my son's girlfriend's child - sadly I don't have a daughter only a caring son who is helping N. with her little lad, and yes she has taught my son to do the injections in case it is every necessary.

If M. gets a pump all these arrangements will no longer be necessary but it won't happen just yet.

As Wales seem not to do the same things as England in this respect then I really don't know why you are bothering to add to my thread as your information is irrelevant and I had asked you to butt out anyway.

Liz

Liz, this is totally unconnected with anything that has gone before, but I just wanted to wish you a very happy birthday!

Jo xx <3

as its been said above and as i said before getting blown out of the water for my comments.

teachers have no legal requirments to administer medication to pupils,

teachers are busy teaching,and to be fair may not know much about complex medical conditions.
why doesnt your daughter go to her GP and ask that a healthcare band 3 or 4 or maybe a nurse could go in to inject the little boy,your daughter could do it while things were getting sorted out.

personally, if i had a diabetic child,i would not be happy with a non medical person who"s had maybe 2hrs training injecting my child with a potentially dangerous drug.
but thats only my personal feelings.

again here in wales,we have healthcares and nurses doing these jobs in schools. :-)

Little fella was 5 in May, smallish and quite a timid lad. He isn't ready to d.i.y. He has to have things done at precise times, anything too different and he ends up in hospital.

Despite the meeting with the head and his dad on Tuesday, the school got the timing wrong again on Wednesday! They have a careplan set up which was sorted out before he started there and when his Mum had to stay all day at the beginning of term, but it has been ignored many times and the head doesn't seem to understand diabetes at all or what can happen if timings aren't adhered to.

I am sure N. has the careplan in writing but will ask her when I see her later today.

He is down to have a special pump fitted within the next year hopefully and that will make a world of difference to him. All a matter of funding and staff available to fit the pump so hope it won't be too long. He will feel better in himself we hope and there will be less disruption to his life.

Lizx

Schools are required to have a clear written policy regarding the management of medication and the support of individual pupils with medical needs. The LEA and Governors are responsible for ensuring such a policy document is in place.

If they haven't already, the parents really need to obtain a copy of this policy before involving the governors as the basis of any complaint would most likely need to be founded on the policy not being followed correctly.

Schools have no legal requirement to administer medication either. It is purely a voluntary role. Hence the policy can vary from one school to another.

This is an example of how things should be done.

http://www.thurrock.gov.uk/education/pupils/pdf/medication_guide.pdf

How old is lad? Maybe over the summer, he could be taught to do what's needed himself, independently. Its a life long condition and the sooner her learns to be independent, the better. Supervised maybe, but doing it himself.

I am amazed he had to come out 10 mins before end of lesson- how long does it take? seconds to do blood test and seconds before then injecting.

Hope the new school are better equipped to deal with his needs.

Having read through the thread, I would of thought that any school would be nervous about giving a child medicine and more so having to inject it, again having to train someone to give the lad his insulin is all cost to a school's every shrinking education budget. As you pointed out Liz that the lads mum doesnt work, so there is no reason why she cannot go to the school each lunchtime to give the mediicine to her boy, I am sure the school is wanting as less disruption as possible as they have to consider all their students needs, and this maybe considered at which school he attends.

Letter all ready for sending to the Governors.

Yesterday there was yet another problem to add to the list. I hadn't realised that the school had only been doing the blood testing and never trained anyone to do the injections of insulin so M.'s Mum, Dad or Stepmum were having to go in every lunchtime to inject the insulin before little lad had his packed lunch which was always carefully packed to give him the right amount of food etc. He should have been taken out of class 1 quarter of an hour before lunch so ten to 12 to have his jab done by whoever's turn it was to go in and do it. On several occasions they have been late bringing him out so he had his jab too close to his lunchtime, and yesterday it happened when his Daddy was there to inject. He requested yet another meeting to complain, I haven't heard what happened yet, but it just shows the lack of good practice with the school when they can't even adhere to medical timings.

So glad he is leaving that place, wonder what other things they get wrong with other children?

Lizx

your out of order ,

and again.its not done here

Had you bothered to read the thread through or look at later posts you would have seen the situation is under control now Suzanne and your post wasn't advice, it was a flat out statement that the mother should go in and inject the child and no one else should do it.

I did point out that when I googled the Welsh situation for this kind of problem it indicated that training could be given to facilitate treatment by school staff for children in M.'s position. Maybe you need to update yourself or maybe the rules you quote only apply to Anglesey.

You always make out you know everything and the posts on here have shown you to be mistaken or only thinking of Wales when you know I am not in Wales or talking about Welsh schools so your comments were irrelevant. it's not only me who feels unhappy about the way you posted, why don't you just back off and leave things be.

Liz

again i did not comment about maggie"s daughter,

also here in north wales,education staff do not give injections,specially trained band 3 healthcares go into schools and give injections and meds. and sometimes parents,

and also you did ask for advice in your OP.

but hey,you always jump on my back when i say something you dont like.

so nothing has changed there.

may be you should change your OP

ADVICE NEEDED RE HEADTEACHER( but only say what i want to hear) :-|

M. is starting at a new school in Sept where they already have staff trained to do the injections etc and she is happy about their attitude to his health problems. his Mum is in the process of writing the letter to the governors explaining how poorly the head treated him and her and that's why she is complaining even tho it won't affect M now, if another child/children attend the school and don't get the right care it won't be for want of trying to rectify the situation.

There are many ways in which this head has shown herself to be less than worthy of the title and she needs sorting out.

Lizx

Liz, N should complain about the school - as she fears there are/will other children with health problems. and diabetes shouldn't affect a child's education.
I find it incredible that the school won't help.
I was a LSA in a small primary school 20 years ago, where we had one child with diabetes, and one who needed catheterisation,
LSA's went on courses where they learnt what they needed to know.
I'm sure these courses are still available - If not, they should be demanded.
If the head is unwilling to send staff on relevant courses, she/he should be reported

Thanks Elizabeth, N is such a good and caring Mum, she had to cope on her own from when M was small as her partner left and then went on to marry quite quickly and have another little boy who I think is coming up to 2, the couple have M often and are in fact taking him off to Legoland and Centre Parcs? for a holiday next week. They have the childcare worked out well so that M is picked up from school and stays with daddy and stepmum on certain days of the week and alternate weekends too.

It's such a big responsibility to have a child with diabetes but he is very good at knowing what he is and isn't allowed to eat. I am sure as soon as he is able he will do his own injections or manage the special pump when he gets it.

Lizx

Dear Purple

Hello


Just to say, I am very pleased that the little one will be going to a
new school in September.


As for the head of his soon-to-be former school, if her attitude and
behaviour does not change by the next term,
then she really should be removed.


It is clearly apparent the head teacher is clueless about policies,
and even more so, she is a very poor example of a human being.

There is no justification for her behaviour towards youngsters.


Hope the youngster settles in and is soon making friends
and that his mum will feel much more supported
and secure knowing he will be well looked after at school.


Lots of luck to them and your son. <3


Take gentle care
Love from
Elizabeth, EOS
xx

Daughter, not grand daughter, and implying that, because an 'official' hadn't diagnosed her, then it wasn't true because I, and her father, apparently didn't know what we're talking about is not 'saying anything about her'.
I'd also like to add, that, after gaining my degree in Education, and after my children had left it, I worked at said (crap) school.
In the first term, I identified 10 children who had previously 'unidentified' learning difficulties - it's not difficult when you know how :-D
I was then told to stop - as it was bad for the school's reputation :-|
So, the 10 I had identified had gone through primary school, with no-one noticing, and the others - who I was not allowed to identify, spent another 5 years in hell, not understanding what they were meant to be learning.
But, hey ho, as long as it doesn't involve us and ours......
I never 'officially' got my daughter statemented, as
a) she didn't want it,
b) we knew there were children worse off than her.
c) She'd learnt strategies, and is intelligent enough to use them.

Yes, I agree, neither the teacher - nor the school are doing their job properly.

You actually answered Errol's question as to what undiagnosed dyslexic meant and you wrote:

"it means it has not been diagnosed so its not a problem, you may have it but you probably dont" which to me is saying Maggie was wrong about her daughter.

I have just googled re Welsh training in schools and there is a lot that suggests staff can be trained to help a small child.

I would also point out that by the last of my posts before you added I had explained that the previous advice had been helpful but especially so from an ex headteacher, so that things were in motion, so really I hadn't "asked for your advice" at all Suzanne. I don't call saying "first of all this is medical condition and not an aducational problem.as we all know education staff are not trained to deal with medical problems,and why should they.no untrained staff would be allowed to give insulin, mum must be trained so its up to her to give medication. " counts as advice anyway, not constructive anyway.



Liz

I forgot to say that M. may be able to have one of those new self administering pumps in the future, when he is a bit older.

i do agree that the teacher is not doing her job properly.

but please dont jump on me when you dont like my comments.

and once again,i did not say anything about maggi"s grandaughter. :-0

Yes I know insulin is given at the same time each day, that was another thing that wasn't happening correctly. N.has been doing this for her son since he was very small, around 18 months old or younger when he was diagnosed. She and his daddy and stepmum deal with it very well.

Liz