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RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 30 Nov 2021 18:58

Do you mean this sort of thing ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3YqqIWxec

One of my ancestors (From Eu, Normandie) was a criiminal immigrant and never went home.

Time rolls on and the French have rescued tens of thousands of people from ill advised cross channel inflatable boats. All of these people are from the Middle East not France. The English do their bit of course but at a much lower level 'cos the French are fairly successful at defeating the best laid plans of most of the people smugglers. For sure they are more effective than Priti Patel.

Going the other way most Brits opt for le Tunnel or a ferry. On a nice sunny day a few may sail across in a proper registered yacht. The French are fine with that other than fishing boats. Are you alluding to the fishers?

ZZzzz

ZZzzz Report 30 Nov 2021 19:32

For what it is worth I had said many years ago that the tunnel would mean we are no longer an island, in effect we are joined to France.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 30 Nov 2021 20:05

Rollo must be much much younger than I thought if one of his ancestors was from the EU.

Once upon a time England gave a home to a lot of French people. Not just those that came over with William the Conqueror but also those fleeing the guillotine.

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 30 Nov 2021 22:59

Did you know, until the Norman Invasion, Cornwall was a separate country to the rest of England?
It was more affiliated to Brittany (Little Britain) than England.
So - all those Cornish, leaving Cornwall, coming into England - then later going to the USA and Australia to help with the mining - how very dare they!!!
Not only that - many of those Cornish had bred with the Bretons.
I'd love to 'get back to my homeland'. Unfortunately, a lot of the housing has been bought up by people from other parts of the UK, to be used as a second home, thus ensuring many Cornish cant have first homes in their homeland. But I presume that's okay.

If you're going to be fussy about refugees, to show your disapproval, I suggest you avoid:
Marks and Spencer
Burton's,
Any books published by Deutsch
Any life saving drugs provided by Sir Ernst Chain, biochemist
Books published by Walter Neurath, or Lord Weidenfeld
Don't listen to the Amadeus string quartet
Ignore Rabbi Hugo Gryn,
Don't watch any films produced by Sir Alexander Korda,
Ignore Sir Karl Popper
Don't listen to Yasmin Alibhai Brown
I certainly hope you never watched the BBC when Alan Yentob,was the programmes director, otherwise you'd be a hypocrite.

Then there were all the Protestants fleeing France (1685 - 1700), followed by the Catholics (1780 - 1900).

Most of the latter information was gleaned from this - a useful tool for working out how to avoid refugees, and their achievements, past and present.

http://refugeeweek.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/HistoryofContributions.pdf

Oh yes - and that pesky Iron Age man - he was an immigrant. I mean, was he really necessary to the country? :-D

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 1 Dec 2021 13:41

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eu,_Seine-Maritime

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 1 Dec 2021 14:33

A close study of the Bayeux Tapestry (made in Winchester) reveals abundant evidence of Norman criminals crossing the channel by boat. Harold and other Brorder Force commanders arrived somewhat late. As there are no sign of any estate agents the fate of Cornwall can hardly be blamed on the Conqueror.





maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 1 Dec 2021 22:24

Oh dear me RTR - going off topic just to have a dig!

I wasn't blaming the fate of Cornwall on the Norman Conquest.
I fact, Brittany and Cornwall were very close.

The Norman Conquest, brought many Bretons into Cornwall - including some of my ancestors. The name 'de Dinan', later anglicised to 'Dinham', is a bit of a giveaway, and indicative of my immigrant ancestors.
The Cornish and Breton languages are mutually intelligible at this point. Why would that be? Possibly because the two races were interchangeable.

The fate of Cornwall has been by the hands of, on the whole, English 'outsiders' buying second homes.

My argument is, when do we say someone is a refugee, immigrant, etc.
Why are some 'acceptable' and others not?
Why do genealogists rejoice when finding an 'exotic' foreign ancestor, without realising these foreign ancestors were immigrants?
Why do British people who live in, say, Spain call themselves 'ex pats' - they're not, unless they have a house in the UK - they're immigrants.

Some fear the different religions - we've always had varying and changing religious factions in the UK.
Assuming every Moslem has the potential to be a terrorist is somewhat hypocritical.
I don't think the UK had a ban on Catholics during the bombings of the 1970's, did they? Yet the IRA were bombing innocent people, but was that okay'' because the terrorists were white?


I may live in/near Winchester, but I don't come from here, so your Winchester 'dig' was a bit inane. Apart from which, no-one knows exactly where the Bayeux Tapestry was made, but most scholars believe it was probably made in Canterbury, no mention at all of Winchester, but why let the facts get in the way of an attempted 'dig' ,eh, RTR?

I do, however have a 'Hampshire' element to my genealogy - they were travellers from the New Forest, so, immigrants that side as well as the Cornish .
Fortunately, my Suffolk side came from Suffolk - that's the Northern European DNA ie Vikings. I have absolutely no 'English' DNA.

Will the country come to the point where people can only stay in the UK if they can prove, through their DNA, that they have a 'right' to stay in the country - conveniently forgetting that Britain was 'made' by immigration?
MPs will, of course be exempt from this, like they appear to be exempt from most of their own statements, declarations and laws.