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Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 18:11

Thomas Turner b 1911 son of Thomas Turner b 1885 d 1939 and Alice Kybert b 1881 in Southwark, London.

Trying to trace any family coming forward from Thomas b 1911 - marriage, children, etc. Also William Turner (brother) b 1893. Trying to trace any family members from these siblings.

My grandmother was their elder sister. Another sister is Amy Turner b 1895 married Frank White and they had two daughters Amy (again) and Gladys.

Sorry its a lot of family here, but trying to come forward now to find any living relatives.

Any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks,


patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 18:48

I think you are going to have problems with the name Turner - much too common.
Have you looked to see if anyone else has Thomas Turner senior or Alice Kybert in their tree?
Have you also got their exact dates of birth, as deaths can be traced that way?

Amy 1895 cannot be a daughter of Thomas 1885.


patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 18:52

Marriage was not until 1912, so who is Thomas's, 1911, father?

Marriages Jun 1912
Kybert Alice M Turner Southwark 1d 177
Turner Thomas Kybert Southwark 1d 177

Births Dec 1911
Turner Thomas F Kybert Southwark 1d 60


patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 18:56

Is this Alice, as birth date out?
Births Jun 1876
Kybert Alice Maud Camberwell 1d 848


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 18:59

Hello thank you for replying,

Answer last first, yes this does appear that they married after the birth, but you could be right. This information came from another source, which I felt may have been unreliable, but I have his Thomas Turner's death cert. It states that the name of person who reported death is A M Turner. Alice Maud, and I have marriage cert to state same. I am 999% sure this is right, but who knows Turner is common name! Southwark is right part of London. They all came from Southwark, Surrey.

I have just been hunting for the ofther Turners. I think I have missed Amy White who married West. She has died in 1997 in Bracknell. Shame, but may coming forward we can find her children.

Still having trouble with Gladys. I only found one marriage and that is to a Chapman. I thought my mum said she married a Webb, but I cannot find a trace.

Thanks, Sappho


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:03

Sorry Amy b 1895 is Johannah's sister - mother Amy Turner (formerly Noble) married William Turner.

I have sent for a few certs and coming forward they have been wrong.

Sorry if I misled you re dates. Think I probably loaded too much.



patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 19:05

Just for reference
1901 England Census
William Turner
Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Amy Turner
Gender: Male Where born: Borough
Civil parish: Southwark St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Southwark County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 101 Piece: 364 Folio: 33 Page Number: 19

William Turner 41
Amy Turner 40
Jerema Turner 20 (Johannah)
Thomas Turner 16
William Turner 8
Amy Turner 6

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 364; Folio: 33; Page: 19.


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:10

Hello patchem,

You're working hard for me - thanks. I think Alice Maud Kybert b. 1881, but now not sure. She married Thomas Turner on 21/04/1912 and I am just going to look out marriage cert. Put it in my file must see if I can find it.



patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 19:12

Is Gladys actually Gladys M?
If so, she could have married Mr Webb in 1937 (A little young, but legal?)


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:13

That's the right family - well done you!

I wish they had not used the same names coming down the line, but they did so many Thomas, William, Amy and the like. Confusing is'nt the word!

I would love to find the family alive today, but only got the Amy and Gladys White to come forward from. I thought there may be other leads.



Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:14

Yes, Gladys M is right.



Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:15

Sorry born 1921


patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 19:15

She could have married Mr Webb in 1937 (A little young, but legal?)


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:16

WOW yes, mum said she married a Webb, but I sent for a cert and it was wrong.

So any more info?


patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 19:17

Any idea what the M stood for?


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:17

Young, yes very young, but legal - only just!!


patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 19:18

Gladys Mildred Webb
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1921
Date of Registration: Jun 1993
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex
Register number: A38B
District and Subdistrict: 4661A
Entry number: 234


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:19

No, not sure about the M until I get the file out and I want to chat about it - cannot do both!! (Thought I could, but no)

Mavis comes to mind, but will get the file - hang on!


patchem Report 18 Jul 2011 19:21

Off for my tea, now.


Ru Report 18 Jul 2011 19:21

Gladys May - should have remembered that as my mum - was Amy May