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Frederick W Court - Previous family?

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Sophie Report 26 Apr 2012 23:02

I am looking for my grandfather's (Frederick W Court) family, which he had before he married my grandmother. He was born on the Wirral and supposedly had 2 children (boys?) in a previous marriage. If anyone has any information can you please message me. I think they may be in Newcastle or somewhere north of Wirral.


patchem Report 26 Apr 2012 23:32

When did the second marriage occur, and do you know when and where your grandfather was born?

Possibly he was born in 1919.
Have you looked to see if anyone else on here has him in their tree?


patchem Report 26 Apr 2012 23:36

Possibly this birth:
Births Dec 1919
Court Frederick W Robertson Birkenhead 8a 1050

There is a marriage in Wallasey in 1958 - is that to your grandmother?


Sophie Report 26 Apr 2012 23:39

the marriage in 1958 is my grandmother yes.. i think it was roughly 10 yrs before that but i dont know alot about it. he was born in wirral not sure exactly where. i have looked and no one else does have them in a tree.


patchem Report 26 Apr 2012 23:52

He appears to have siblings Albert R, Kenneth and Alwyn. Have you had any contact with them or any children for any further information?

Could the other marriage be a long way out of area - did he serve in the army and marry where he had been posted?
There is a marriage in Durham in 1941, which probably gives one son in 1945.
Added: and looks like a daughter in 1958, so perhaps not, unless that 13 year gap is significant.


Sophie Report 26 Apr 2012 23:59

yes they are his brothers and sisters. i dont think any of them are alive anymore.

yes possibly he served in world war 2 i dont think he married abroad though i think it was still in this country. i know very little about it. my uncle who died when i was a baby started looking and told my dad a very small amount of what he had found.

i think i had seen that once but i couldnt see any birth certificates that he is on other than my dad and uncle. which were in 1962 and either 1960/61.


Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 00:02

well my grandparents got married in 1958 and i know that they had waited a while for my grandad to be divorced.


patchem Report 27 Apr 2012 00:03

Sorry, I am off to bed now.
Washing machine has finished.
Good Luck.


Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 11:47

Can anyone help?

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 27 Apr 2012 11:57

Have you seen a copy of your grandparents' marriage certificate?

Sometimes a divorced person is shown as ....'previously the husband / wife of.. ( name of former spouse)
Sometimes though, the person just has.... former marriage disolved... next to their name.

.... A bit hit and miss, but may possibly give a clue.



Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 11:59

oh i never thought of that thank you. i will try and dig the copy i have out.



Rambling Report 27 Apr 2012 12:35

You could try working in reverse if you are sure he had 2 children...

there are a number of Frederick Court marriages between 1930 and 1958, discount the ones with other initials and see who Frederick or Frederick W married...then cross reference the wife's name with births on Freebmd eg. Court / Smith.

There are definitely some that can be discounted that way as they had more children... if you are sure it was North of Wirral that would also whittle them down.


Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 12:40

how do i cross reference the names? im on freebmd now and im not sure how to find out how many children they had?


Rambling Report 27 Apr 2012 12:49

are you on rather than the BMds here Sophie?

if so make a list of the marriages of Frederick Court between 1938 to 1958 , note the wifes surname..

then go back to the search page

Surname Court

mothers surname ...'Smith' ( and work through all the wives surnames you listed...and the children of that couple will show up.


Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 12:51

oh thats great thanks ill try that :-D


Rambling Report 27 Apr 2012 12:56

Good luck! If you know what Frederick's middle initials stood for you could also look out for any boys with those names, it's not always the case but sons may be given one of their father's names... father's first name as a middle name perhaps.


Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 14:10

is there a way of finding divorce records?

his middle initial is Warren.


Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 15:09

also is there a way of not just cross referencing the surnames but also the first names to get a more accurate result or does that not work?


Sophie Report 27 Apr 2012 16:30

Found a marriage in 1941 to a woman surnamed Harker. They had a child in 1945 named Gary Court. But i cannot see wether the frederick w is warren or another middle name.

any clues on how to find that out? or if anyone is related to Gary Court. This was in West Durham.


Rambling Report 27 Apr 2012 21:26

Nudging this up for Sophie,