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We don't know at the moment when Matthew and Margaret died. We hardly knew anything about johns family before this. I can remember auntie Janey (Jane Throup Wilson) telling me about them all moving to London when she was a young girl and that the most important thing they had to take with them wad the sewing machine.

Yes they did go to west ham for a while. I think Enid and Herbert were born there.

Do you have any idea when or where Matthew & Margaret died?

From freebmd it looks like there were 2 more children born to Wilson/Throup in 1915 & 1916 - the latter in West Ham - Herbert M B Wilson which I doubted. However, he married in Preston and died in Preston, so wonder why they were in West Ham in 1916?

The 1911 census states (although crossed off) Hannah had been married 48 years, 5 children but 1 had died prior to 1911. Think the dead one is Elizabeth - as she is with her other daughter in 1911, Matthew & Henry are in Preston, and Thomas B is in Durham.

Wonder if Charles is Matthew's son, or he could have been Elizabeth's:

Hannah Wilson
Age in 1911: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation to Head: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Aydon, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Benfieldside
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Front Street Shotley Bridge Co Durham
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration District: Lanchester
Registration District Number: 550
Sub-registration District: Consett
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 29882
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas H Surtees 43
Mary Ann Surtees 40
Minnie Surtees 7
Charles Wilson 11 << nephew
Hannah Wilson 77
Elenor Jane Wardle 22
William Dixon 37

Thanks so much Flip. It's marvellous all the info you and Reggie are coming up with! :-)

I think this is them in 1901, Matthew is a joiner:

Mathew Wilson
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Hannah Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hole Row Fann, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Benfieldside
Ecclesiastical parish: Benfieldside St Cuthbert
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Lanchester
Sub-registration District: Consett
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 77
Piece: 4668
Folio: 13
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Wilson 67 (head)
Elizabeth Wilson 36 (daughter)
Mathew Wilson 26
Charles Wilson 1 (grandson)

But it looks on the imate that Mathew is down as married.

This is likely to be the parents marriage (note middle name of Thos)

Hannah Browell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration District: Hexham
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 378
Records on Page: Name
Hannah Browell <<<
George Darrie
Matthew Wilson <<<

A bit on Matthew, the brother on 1911 census is Henry Lumley Wilson according to the image, they are with their mother in 1891:

Matthew Wilson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Hannah Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Holl Uw, Northamptonshire, England
[Holl Uw, Northumberland, England]

Civil Parish: Benfieldside
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Lanchester
Sub-registration District: Consett
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4089
Folio: 8
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Wilson 57
Thomas B Wilson 24
Mary A Wilson 21
Henry L Wilson 18
Matthew Wilson 16

And 1881

Matthew Wilson
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Hannah Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hole Row, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Benfieldside
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Green St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration District: Lanchester
Sub-registration District: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4944
Folio: 91
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Wilson 47
Elizabeth Wilson 17
Thos.B. Wilson 13
Mary Ann Wilson 16
Henry L. Wilson 8
Matthew Wilson 6

1871 same family, this time with father:
Thos Browell Wilson
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Matthew Wilson
Mother's Name: Hannah Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Corbridge, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Shotley Low Quarter
Ecclesiastical parish: Shotley
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration District: Hexham
Sub-registration District: Bywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household Schedule Number: 34
Piece: 5142
Folio: 16
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Wilson 45
Hannah Wilson 37
Elisabeth Wilson 6
Thos Browell Wilson 3
Margaret Ann Wilson 11 Months

You're welcome............

Thank you so much! At the moment we can't sleep at night with so much info going round in our heads so it's fantastic that you've come up with all this! :-)

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1851 census


Person: THROUP, David Address: Village, West Riding, York

THROUP, John Head Married M 60 1791 Flour Dealer
Long Preston, Yorkshire VIEW
THROUP, Sarah Wife Married F 58 1793
Lancaster VIEW
THROUP, John Son Unmarried M 25 1826 Weaver Cotton
Long Preston, Yorkshire VIEW
THROUP, David Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Weaver Cotton
Long Preston, Yorkshire

Marriage: 8 Aug 1857 St Helen, Garstang, Lancashire, England
David Throup - 22, Earthen-ware Dealer, Bachelor, Garstang
Margaret Howard - (X), 21, Spinster, Garstang
Groom's Father: John Throup, Earthen-ware Dealer
Bride's Father: John Howard, Earthen-ware Dealer
Witness: Nicholas Billington; John Crane
Married by Registrar's Certificate by: Thomas Carter M. A.Curate
Register: Marriages 1856 - 1881, Page 16, Entry 31
Source: LDS Film 1278890

1861 census

Person: THROUPE, Jane Address: Manor House, Garstang

THROUPE, David Head Married M 25 1836 ... Dealer
..., Yorkshire VIEW
THROUPE, Margaret Wife Married F 21 1840
..., Lancashire VIEW
THROUPE, John Son M 2 1859
..., Lancashire VIEW
THROUPE, Jane Daughter F 0 (5M) 1861
..., Lancashire VIEW
JENNISON, George Visitor Unmarried M 24 1837 ... Dealer
Rendall, Westmorland

Baptism: 11 Nov 1860 St Thomas, Garstang, Lancashire, England
Jane Throupe - Daughter of David Throupe & Margaret
Abode: Garstang
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Baptised by: William Armitstead
Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1880, Page 6, Entry 87
Source: LDS Film 1470930

1881 census


Person: THROUP, Jane Address: 6, Salmon St, Fishwick

EDELSTON, James Head Married M 42 1839 Cotton Manufacturer
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
EDELSTON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 43 1838
Longton, Lancashire VIEW
EDELSTON, William Henry Son Single M 21 1860 Book Keeper (Cotton Mill)
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
EDELSTON, Peter Son Single M 18 1863 Book Keeper (Cotton Mill)
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
EDELSTON, Ada Daughter Single F 15 1866 Scholar
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
EDELSTON, James Jnr Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
EDELSTON, Thomas Dugald Son Single M 2 1879
Preston, Lancashire VIEW
THROUP, Jane Servant Single F 20 1861 General & Domestic
Garstang, Lancashire VIEW
FIELDING, William Visitor Single M 23 1858 Designer (Artzn)
Manchester, Lancashire

Baptism: 3 May 1882 All Saints, Preston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Throup - [Child] of Jane Throup
Born: 4 Mar 1882
Abode: 15 Lancaster Road
Occupation: Single woman
Baptised by: Thos James Curate
Register: Baptisms 1876 - 1900, Page 63, Entry 504
Source: FHL 1544765

The marriage of her parents can easily be found on freebmd

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

THROUP Margaret Trinity Preston THROUP TR/11/44

1911 census

Person: WILSON, Margaret Address: 48 High St Preston

WILSON, Matthew Head Married M 37 1874 Joiner Hexham Northumberland VIEW
WILSON, Margaret Wife Married4 years F 29 1882 Preston Lancashire VIEW
WILSON, Jane Throup Daughter F 3 1908 Preston Lancashire VIEW
WILSON, Hannah Daughter F 2 1909 Preston Lancashire VIEW
WILSON, Margaret Daughter F 1 1910 Preston Lancashire VIEW
WILSON, Henry Tumley Brother Single M 39 1872 Labourer Hexham Northumberland VIEW
MORAN, Patrick Boarder Married M 49 1862 Farm Labourer Nase County Mayo