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As has already been mentioned if the Elizabeth who married Blenkinsop is the right one, ie Hazel's mother, there was one birth to that marriage Joyce Blenkinsop 1927....possible marriage 1951 Liverpool ( see freebmd).

EDIT reading back through thread, have you bought the certs mentioned yet?

Nudge - please delete your new thread and continue here.

Please?



RamblingRose posted the 1911 cenus with that Elizabeth on 24th Aug @ 15.52.
Also her marriage to Richard (24th Aug @ 15..54)

Posted again here:

Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)
Olley Richard Liverpool 8b 24
RAWSTHORNE Elizabeth Annie Liverpool 8b 24

Her birth:
Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
Rawsthorne Elizabeth Annie W. Derby 8b 537

I've already posted the 1891 census showing her with her father Richard in Kilshaw Street (Aug 24 @ 18.47)

What else do you want to know about her?
She is the mother of Elizabeth Eleanor (who was 7 in the 1911 census), and who married Charles Blenkinsop.

Bur we can't say if she's Hazel's mother or not, although there's some circumstantial evidence - Kilshaw Street, for instance.

Take a look at Elizabeth Ann Olley living at Reynolds Place at the time age 24. Reynolds Place is next to Kilshaw Street in Everton Liverpool.

There's another Elizabeth Olley born 1903, but in Sunderland.

But if the one in the 1911 census was indeed born Liverpool area as stated, then I think she must be Elizabeth Eleanor.

Elizabeth Eleanor Blenkinsop
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Elizabeth Eleanor Blenkinsop
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1903
Date of Registration: Jan 2004
Age at Death: 100
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register Number: F67A
District and Subdistrict: 081/1F
Entry Number: 134



Charles Price Blenkinsop
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles Price Blenkinsop
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1900
Date of Registration: Sep 1974
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 4
Page: 0305

Or maybe not!

Just realised that on page 1 I posted the marriage of Elizabeth E Olley to Charles Blenkinsop, which I had assumed was Elizabeth Eleanor's marriage.

Posting here again to save people having to change page:

Marriages Jun 1925 (>99%)
Blenkinsop Charles P Olley W. Derby 8b 1047
Olley Elizabeth E Blenkinsop W. Derby 8b 1047



Marriages Sep 1926 (>99%)
Blenkinsop Charles P Olley West Derby 8b 706
Olley Elizabeth E Blenkinsop W. Derby 8b 706

You'd have to buy the certs to see father's name, to know which is your Elizabeth's marriage (if either).

There was one Blenkinsop / Olley birth, in West Derby in 1927.

This is Elizabeth Olley born 1903, who could well be the one who married Mr Vance:

Elizabeth Eleanor Olley
in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elizabeth Eleanor Olley
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: West Derby
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 631

Perhaps the person compiling the Vance family tree has been confused by this birth, which is obviously for a different person:


Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
Vance Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 41

Elizabeth Vance ( no middle initial) poss death 2000, dob 23 Jun 1903
husband Frederick William died 1973.

If you get the birth cert for Elizabeth Olley it should confirm dob.

One the Vance family tree Elizabeth Ann Olley born 1904 but I think could be 1903

You mention 1904.
I don't see a birth of an Elizabeth Olley in 1904, if that's what you mean.

Is this what you mean, Loraine?

Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%)
OLLEY Elizabeth Vance W.Derby 8b 1025
Vance Frederick W Olley W.Derby 8b 1025

There are five births of children possibly from that marriage, 1931-45
two in West Derby, and 3 in Liverpool.

Confused, who is Vance?

May be 1904 Elizabeth Ann Olley. May be the name Vance

And 1901:

Richard Rausthorne
in the 1901 England Census

Name: Richard Rausthorne
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elizabeth Rausthorne
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Search Photos: Search for 'Everton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island:
Country: England
Street address: 49 Herbert Street
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3485
Folio: 62
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Rausthorne 39
Elizabeth Rausthorne 37
Richard Rausthorne 16
Elizabeth Rausthorne 14
Ada Rausthorne 12
Margaret Rausthorne 8
William Rausthorne 7/12

This is the family in 1891, with a daughter Elizabeth born c 1886:

Elizabeth Blinkhorn

in the 1891 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Blinkhorn
[Elizabeth Rawrthorn]
[Elizabeth Rawsthorne]
[Elizabeth Rawthorn]
[Elizabeth Green]
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Rawrthorne
Father's name: William Green
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 19 Binney Street
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2988
Folio: 52
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Rawrthorne 26
Elizabeth Blinkhorn 25
Richard Blinkhorn 7
Elizabeth Blinkhorn 5
Ada Blinkhorn 3
William Green 61
Alfred Green 23
George E Green 14

Oh, yes, here they are:

Richard Henry Rawsthorne

in the 1911 England Census
Name: Richard Henry Rawsthorne
Age in 1911: 28 (48 on image)
Estimated birth year: abt 1883 (c1863)
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Search Photos: Search for 'Everton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island:
Country: England
Street address: 44 Kilshaw St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Beef Carrier
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Piece: 22550
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Henry Rawsthorne 28 (actually 48)
Elizabeth Ann Rawsthorne 46
Margaret Rawsthorne 18
William Rawsthorne 11
Jane Rawsthorne 9
Maud Rawsthorne 4
Catherine Rawsthorne 5




Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
GREEN Elizabeth Annie Toxteth Park 8b 462
RAWSTHORNE Richard Henry Toxteth Park 8b 462

Don't know if relevant:

In 1911 there was a Mr Rawsthorn living at 44 Kilshaw Street,ina household of 2 males and 5 females. I can't see them on the full census records, though.

Rawsthorn Mr
in the 1911 England Census Summary Books
Name: Rawsthorn Mr
Number of Males: 2
Number of Females: 5
Household schedule number: 140
Street address: 44 Kilshaw Street
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Everton Emmanuel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Residence Year: 1911
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
Sub-Registration District Number: 8
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1325

An interesting aside -

if the 1911 census record posted by RR is the correct family, the daughter Elizabeth (Elizabeth Eleanor) seems to have married the same person twice:

Marriages Jun 1925 (>99%)
Blenkinsop Charles P Olley W. Derby 8b 1047
Olley Elizabeth E Blenkinsop W. Derby 8b 1047



Marriages Sep 1926 (>99%)
Blenkinsop Charles P Olley West Derby 8b 706
Olley Elizabeth E Blenkinsop W. Derby 8b 706