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ErikaH Report 7 Jun 2020 18:22

Susan didn't return three years ago - it's unlikely she'll be looking now. Unless you know otherwise, of course ;-)


patchem Report 7 Jun 2020 18:08

Posting for Susan in case she could not find the thread, with the information that:

'my father's parents were Ellen phelan and Joseph Fitzgerald, both from Ireland'


patchem Report 8 Apr 2017 16:44

This could be death for Joan's husband Bertram:
Bertram Charles Williams
BIRTH: 27 May 1931
DEATH: July quarter 2001 - Waltham Forest, London, England

MS Joanah Williams
Gender: Female
Age: 75
Birth Date: 1934
Death Date: 18 May 2009
Residence Place at Death: London, Greater London, England
Postal Code District: Se22


patchem Report 8 Apr 2017 16:37

This is a possible death for Ellen;
Ellen O'Sullivan
Birth Date: about 1908 Age at Death: 56
Date of Registration: March quarter 1964
Registration district: Willesden Middlesex
Volume: 5f Page: 278


patchem Report 8 Apr 2017 11:30



I had been concentrating on the other John J birth (Poplar not Marylebone), but was deciding it looked like the wrong family as that John J was still with the same people on ER's after the marriage.


AustinQ Report 8 Apr 2017 10:15

Looks to be correct- the Ellen Fitzgerald (nee Phelan) on the 1939 register matches this birth in Kilkenny:

Date of Birth 15 January 1907
SR District/Reg Area Kilkenny
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname MAHONEY


AustinQ Report 8 Apr 2017 09:35

This is just a possible- needs a little more looking into, but I'll post just in case. I was wondering if the boys were evacuated elsewhere in 1939 or possibly in Ireland?- but saw this:

Party 2 Name Ellen PHELAN
Date of Event 16 June 1925
SR District/Reg Area Kilkenny

The transcription reveals more on the 1939 register than is actually available to view- Joan is a closed record on the original:

Fitzgerald Household 49 Auckland House , Hammersmith, London, England

James Fitzgerald 20 Jan 1901 Male Road Construction Laboure Married
Ellen O'sullivan (Fitzgerald) 15 Jan 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married
Joan Fitzgerald (Williams) 16 Oct 1934 Female Usa Single

The 1939 register shows that Ellen married again:

Marriages Jun 1946
Fitzgerald Ellen O'Sullivan Paddington 1a 185
O'Sullivan Cornelius Fitzgerald Paddington 1a 185

It also shows that Joan married to a Mr Williams:

Possible marriage:

Marriages Mar 1952
Fitzgerald Johanna Williams Pancras 5d 1083
Williams Bertram C Fitzgerald Pancras 5d 1083

Johanna and Bertram are on the historical London electoral registers- Johanna is listed as Joan


AustinQ Report 8 Apr 2017 09:04

Possibly Martin's birth (In Ireland):

First name(s) Martin
Last name Fitzgerald
Registration year 1930
Registered quarter/year Oct - Dec 1930
Registration district Kilkenny
Volume 3 Page 297
Mother's last name (original) Phelan
County Kilkenny
Country Ireland

John's birth:

First name(s) JOHN J
Birth year 1932
Birth quarter 4
Mother's last name Phelan
District Marylebone
County London
Volume 1A Page 659

Other possible siblings:
Johanna 1934
Michael 1936


AustinQ Report 8 Apr 2017 08:48

Martin's death?

First name(s) MARTIN
Gender Male
Birth date 14 September 1930
Death quarter 4
Death year 1988
District Brent
Register number 1288
County Middlesex
Volume 11 Page 656

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar

Name: Martin Patrick Fitzgerald
Death Date: 7 Dec 1988
Death Place: North Wembley Middx
Probate Date: 3 Mar 1989
Registry: Winchester

FITZGERALD- Martin Patrick of 1 Hutchenson Terr Clarendon Gardens North Wembley Middx died 7 December 1988 Probate Winchester 3 March Not exceeding £70000


patchem Report 7 Apr 2017 18:16


Have you got your Father's birth certificate for information about his parents?


patchem Report 7 Apr 2017 06:59

Susan has sent me a pm saying that her Father was born in London to Irish parents, and had other siblings besides Martin.


patchem Report 5 Mar 2017 12:32

As Martin P does not show on the ER until 1953, then he is very likely born around 1932, or was not living in London before then.

If we cannot see him in 1939 census, then still possibly alive, or died relatively recently, or not in the country?

There are several Fitzgerald/Davies births in London, with one or two being possible children, but not immediately after that marriage date.


patchem Report 5 Mar 2017 12:19

Grace Dorothy Fitzgerald
Birth Date: 1 Feb 1932
Date of Registration: Apr 1984
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Westminster
Inferred County: London
Volume: 15
Page: 1541

Fits with a possible birth for Grace D Davies.


patchem Report 5 Mar 2017 11:16

Grace and Martin are showing on the ER in 1953 in Carlton, so he must have been born before 1932?


patchem Report 5 Mar 2017 11:08

So the missing you has the brother as Martin P Fitzgerald.

Martin P and Grace D on 1960 ER, and in Brent in 1965.


Eringobragh1916 Report 5 Mar 2017 09:57


Deaths Dec 1960

FITZGERALD John J 28 Hendon 5e 544

For Ref :


patchem Report 4 Mar 2017 18:20

Possible, but very young.


Christine Report 4 Mar 2017 17:56

Possible marriage of brother Martin to Grace in 1953, also at Paddington.


patchem Report 4 Mar 2017 17:14

Have you found the family in the 1939 census, just for confirmation of Martin's age?


patchem Report 4 Mar 2017 17:04

Martin was born in 1937 in Susan's tree.