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Bert Harrison Dorman
in the Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1826-1936

Name: Bert Harrison Dorman, occupation Agent
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Religion Presbyterian
Birth Year: abt 1911
Birth Place: Walsall-Staffertshire-England
Marriage Date: 20 May 1935 (actual date 25 May)
Marriage Place: Metcalfe, Carleton, Ontario, Canada
Father: Robert Fletcher Dorman
Mother: Daisy Evelyn Dorman
Spouse: Violet Enid Mac Diarmid

Violet Enid Mac Diarmid
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Religion Baptist
Birth Year: abt 1913
Birth Place: Twp of Osgoode
Marriage Date: 20 May 1935 (actual date 25 May)
Marriage Place: Metcalfe, Carleton, Ontario, Canada
Father: Duncan Kay Mac Drarmid
Mother: Eliza Mac Drarmid
Spouse: Bert Harrison Dorman

The Witness, Edith Mac Drarmid & John MacDrarmid lived at Osgoode Station

Thank you !

The marriage of Bert Harrison Dorman is on Ancestry worldwide - it may be worth asking for a lookup. Someone on here MAY have a sub.

Thank you everyone for all your amazing wiork x

First name(s) JOHN
Last name DORMAN
Gender Male
Birth day 24
Birth month 10
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1986
District Fulham
Register number 1086
County London
Volume 12
Page 693
Country England

Name: Edgar Detavius Emmanuel Race
[Edgar Octavius Emmanuel Race]
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Islington
Civil Parish: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 69 Hampden Lodge, Hampden Rd, Hornsey N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Representative Book and School Stationers
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 304
Piece: 7198
Household Members:
Name Age
Edgar Detavius Emmanuel Race 37
Florence Ada Race 39
Elizabeth Race 72
Victor Redvers Edgar Race 10
Gladys Doris Ethel Race 9
Horace Reginal Emmanuel Race 7
Leslie Aubrey Race 5
Douglas Whitford Daniel Race 2

Marriages Mar 1958 (>99%)
DORMAN James G THEODORE JONES Hendon 5e 1115
THEODORE-JONES Gladys D E DORMAN Hendon 5e


Name: Gladys D E Race
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1935
Registration district: Westminster
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: Edwin Theodore-jones
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1213


Name: Gladys Doris Ethel Race
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Nov 1903
Baptism Place: West Green Christ Church, Haringey, England
Father: Edgar Octavius Emmanuel Race
Mother: Florence Ada Race
Register Type: Parish Registers


Source Gro Death Abroad Indices (1966 To 1994)
Archive reference DABR
Volume C (CONSULAR)
War -
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
First name(s) Gladys Doris E
Sex Female
Last name Dorman
Death year 1973
Birth year 1902
Type Consular/Overseas
Country Spain
Place Valencia
Page 496
Age AGED 71
Birth date ? ? 1902
Registration year -
Branch of service -
Decoration -
Records year range 1973
Line number 86
Archive General Register Office

In 1954 and 1956, John & Isabella had living with them at 31 Mall Road, Hammersmith, a James Gordon Dorman


Name: Mr James Gordon Dorman
Gender: Male
Age: 79
Birth Date: 1934
Death Date: 28 Mar 2013
Residence Place at Death: Leigh-On-Sea, Essex, England
Postal Code District: Ss9

So................. he was Isabella's son before her marriage

Births Jun 1933 (>99%)
LILLIE James G Lillie Hackney 1b 492

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Name: Alice E Lillie
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1929
Registration district: Hammersmith
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Albert E Porteous
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 673

Name: Albert Edward Porteous
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1908
Registration Date: Jan 1991
Registration district: Bury St edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 10
Page: 2634


1939
Porteous Household (4 People)
29 Mall Road , Hammersmith, London, England

Alice Porteous 29 Jan 1908 Female Housewiffe Married 89 1
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Name: Alice Elizabeth Porteous
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1907
Registration Date: Dec 1982
Registration district: Bury St edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 10
Page: 2298

Name: Alice Elizabeth Lillie
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 974

John's wife's death

Name: Isabella Dorman
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 4 May 1909
Registration Date: May 1994
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: C28D
District and Subdistrict: 2261C

Thus making this her birth

Name: Isabella Lillie
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: South Shields
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 1032

And 1911 census

Name: Isabella Lillie
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hebburn, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Hebburn
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 22 Thistle St Hebburn On Tyne
Registration district: South Shields
Registration District Number: 556
Sub-registration district: Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Piece: 30385
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lillie 30
Mary Lillie 30
Alice Lillie 4
Isabella Lillie 1

Daisy’s maiden name was Price, according to the birth registrations of her children

Therefore, if she married at any stage, that should have been the name she used

The marriage in 1916 posted above was of a Daisy PRICE and in the area where she was allegedly born, so could be worth investigating.

Yes sorry i didn't notice the birthplace on that Frances .

Yes I think that's the only option....also that France's dorman was born in Connecticut and my gran was born in the uk

Ok just wondered if Frances had visited, not actually emigrated.

So the only possibility left then is to try and trace what happened to Bert Harrison Dorman in Canada.

Hi
No France's was my grandma...she didn't go to Canada....her mum Daisy Price left her and her 2 brothers when they were very young...she moved in with the local tattooist and had another baby but had no contact with my gran and her brothers...my gran was sent away not long after and she had a terrible life...she also never saw her brothers again :-( I just wanted to find any living relatives of her brothers to see if they knew she existed

Yes she should have been Dorman as on the birth certs for the children, BUT there is no sign of a marriage to Bert. so if she left she would possibly use the name Price? There seems to be no other record for her as Daisy Dorman?

Did Frances travel to Canada I wonder?

British & Irish Roots Collection Transcription

First name(s) Frances
Last name Dorman
Sex Female
Age 17
Birth year 1913
Birth place Connecticut
Nationality White
Origin country Canada
Year 1930
Destination country United States
Town Farmington
County Hartford
State Connecticut
Father's birth place Connecticut
Source dataset Us Census 1930
View original source record View the record's source
Record set British & Irish Roots Collection
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Migration
Collections from Americas, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Thank you but the Daisy that was my great grandma was already Daisy Price when my gran was born in 1912

I wonder if Daisy went back to Dudley? Just speculation though

First name(s) DAISY
Last name PRICE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1916
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DAISY PRICE married
William Price
Spouse's last name Price
District Dudley
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Volume as transcribed 6B
Page number 1579
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

Possible birth for Daisy?
Mar 1887
PRICE Daisy Stafford 6b 5

Staffordshire baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Daisy
Last name Price
Birth year 1886
Birth date 29 Dec 1886
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 06 Apr 1887
Baptism place Stafford, Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Emma
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3387/3
Page 169
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

EDIT a couple of people may have this Daisy on their tree, so may be worth sending a message if only to eliminate?

Here suggests he is based in Boston?

"... . Caasor is very confident of success. PATSEY HALEY (BUFFALO) TO CORPIELD. PADDY MAHONEY, AND CURLEY (NEWCASTLE). Mr. Bert A. Dorman, of Boston (U.S.A.), called oar Office yesterday and deposited £25 match Patsey Haley, of Buffalo (U.S.A.), to box either "

18 September 1897 - Sporting Life - London, London, England