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Thanks again for everyone's input,
I'll send off tomorrow for the birth cert,putting names to his initials will be a big help.
Waiting now on news from Cherington.

GROVE FARM (CHERINGTON) LIMITED

Company number 05386730

Company Overview for GROVE FARM (CHERINGTON) LIMITED (05386730)
Filing history for GROVE FARM (CHERINGTON) LIMITED (05386730)
People for GROVE FARM (CHERINGTON) LIMITED (05386730)
Registered office address
123 Westminster Bridge Road, London, SE1 7HR
Company status
Dissolved
Dissolved on
10 February 2015
Company type
Private limited Company
Incorporated on
9 March 2005

If they can't give you the details, buy a copy of his BC. You were given the reference earlier

Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
Black David S E mmn Coles Thanet Vol 2a Page 1780

The current cost from GRO is £9.25 but it's due to increase to £11 on 11 Feb. Don't delay.
With the dob, it might be possible to discount or confirm any death records that may be found.

You can currently purchase a pdf copy of his mother's DC for £6.00. The 11 Feb price rise will take it to £7. That would give you the normal address for the informant, probably her husband. That would help if you decide to look for Primary Schools.

As one said David S E Black is on record as being on a Grove Farm Cherington Gloucestershire.It's his full title may be him
Will try to contact someone there with local knowledge

It may help to know his full name not. just the second initials

If he passed after 2007 then the record won't be online

How about school records? He might just about have been old enough for Primary School when his mother died.

Don't think you will find online any info for 1929- 1934

It may be they were living at the address on mrs Coles death cert for those years

Yes thank you for your effort,most of the info I have.
A phone call from my cousin Jean Black prompted me to open research on David.-1929
David would be half brother to Jean ( 1938.)I knew her half sisters,and one may still be alive with the knowledge in an unknown location. It's that gap between 1929 to 1934 that's the problem.
I will get the birth certificate and start again

Any thoughts on the info I posted?

Dorothy Myers father Lesley J Myers b 1891 of Chewton Victoria Australia married 1917 Pewsey Wheeler Olivia Coles 1897 - 1934. Marriage failed so Dorothy and her mother returned to the UK
W O Coles married John Black 1894 - 1975 at Wokingham Berks
Elizabeth M E M Black 1925 Wokingham
Sylvia W A Black 1928
David S E Black 1929

His grandmother and aunt in 1939

Coles Household (6 People)
38 Woosehill Lane , Wokingham M.B., Berkshire, England


Mary A E Coles 30 Oct 1875 Female Household Duties Widowed 143 1
Daisy Tyrrell 31 Aug 1914 Female Household Duties (Unpaid Married 143 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Oliver A Tyrrell 14 Jul 1906 Male Aircraft Porter At Drome Married 143 6

Only twoTyrrell/Coles children born between date of marriage and date of register

Perhaps the other closed record is David...................not sure how you would be able to find out

Not with Uncles Fritz and Hugh in 1939

Coles Household (5 People)
Wrexham Bearwood Road , Wokingham M.B., Berkshire, England

Fritz Coles 12 Nov 1900 Male Public Works Contractor Labourer Heavy Work Married 232 2
Dora (E) Coles 20 Mar 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 232 1
Gladys Odell (Coles) 12 Aug 1911 Female Canteen Worker Woodley Aerodrome Married 232 3
Hugh (P L) Coles 09 Jan 1905 Male General Labourer Heavy Work Married 232 4
Jo?n (P) Coles 07 Nov 1932 Male At School Single 232 5

Name: Wheeler Black
Death Age: 37
Birth Date: abt 1897
Registration Date: Dec 1934
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 638

What happened to her first husband? The father of Dorothy..........................

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Myers Dorothy M L Coles Pewsey 5a 196

Marriages Mar 1917 (>99%)
Coles Wheeler O Myers Pewsey 5a 219
Myers Leslie J Coles Pewsey 5a 219

The 1954 address is not in Cirencester - that's the parliamentary division

It is Cherington, Stroud.

No-one else with the same surname at the Farm

Have you traced the sisters?

Thank you for the information. I do hot think David was in Liverpool. I did wonder if he died at or near his birth in Kent but unable to find a record of same.His parents John and Wheeler Black moved to Wales as John worked on the railway. Wheeler -maiden name Coles had family in Pewsey Wiltshire,he may have moved there to live
I'll check out the Cirencester connection for David S E Black in 1954
Thanks again-Merry Xmas.

the david black in 1939 reg born 15th june is why i put the death in 1991 liverpool same brith date

His birth was reg June qtr but not necessarily born in June

Think a mid June birth may not have been reg before end June

There is a birth too in Liverpool area for a david black that may equate to the death posted


Births Sep 1929
Black David Lloyd W.Derby 8b 531

Name: David S. E., black
Grove Farm
Residence Year: 1954
Parliamentary Division: Cirencester and Tewkesbury
Residence Place: Gloucestershire, England

It may help getting the cert for his actual birth date

The 1939 register doesn't give anymore results for a David Black born in 1929.


Some other children in that road appear to be listed as Deaf

Did David have a hearing problem.....?