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O'Brian nee Nash

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Sheila Report 16 Feb 2019 08:49

Gwyneth O'Brian nee Nash is/was my Gt Uncle Lukes daughter. My nan was Kate,(PYE) Lukes sister
The only information I can remember of her is that she married O'Brian and had one son to my knowledge called Billy. Billy would be in his seventies now. They lived Canada, I think, back in the 1960s/70s. May still do.
Am just needing any ANCESTOR info which may still be available, no matter how small a snippet.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 09:31

1939 Register, to get us going? It would have helped if you’d given a general area & approx year of birth

Corcoran Household (6 People)
7 Roskin St Rad , Radcliffe M.B., Lancashire, England

>>>Gwendoline E M (Mary G) O'Brien (Nash) 27 Aug 1922 Trecasting Works Trimer
Christopher Corcoran 31 Mar 1887 Paper Works Fire Beater
Mary A Corcoran 25 Sep 1888 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Elizabeth Casey (Corcoran) 01 Sep 1912 Paper Works Sorter
Alice Nuttall (Corcoran) 26 Jul 1922 ???
>>>Luke Nash 06 Dec 1898 Production Process Worker Textile Dysing & Bleaching

Note made on 26 Jul 1947 changing surname from Nash to O’Brien

As her entry has been opened, either it was in error or she died in England or Wales. Names with a dob less than 100 years ago, or where a death listed on GRO hasn’t been linked, are usually closed


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 09:36

Suggestion only - her birth?

Last name NASH
Birth year 1922
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Lord
District Bury
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8C
Page 916


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 09:40

Her marriage

Last name NASH
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1947
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™
MARY E G NASH married one of these people
William J O'Brien
Spouse's last name O'Brien
District Heywood
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 10C
Volume as transcribed 10C
Page number 1119

It’s possible that their son was a William but known as Bill/y

Added - he was registered as William H O’Brien, 1st quarter 1948


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 09:43

Possibly parents marriage.

Marriages Mar 1922 (>99%)
NASH Luke Lord Bury 8c 748

There must be an transcription error on Freebmd as the name of the spouse is not cross referenced.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 09:48

From Lancsbmd

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At
NASH Luke LORD Lily Bury Register Office or Registrar Attended Bury

Gwendoline’s birth. She may have preferred to be known by that than one of her other names

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1922
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
NASH Mary Ethel Gwendoline LORD Radcliffe Bury RAD/75/25

Both records taken from which is FREE


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 09:56

Luke’s Nash birth from GRO

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BURY Volume 08C Page 623

As you share ancestors, had you already found some of these records?
Were you looking for Luke Nash or Lily Lord (Mary’s Mother) ancestors?


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 09:59

Your Nans birth. Same mmn

GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in BURY BURY AND LANCASTER Volume 08C Page 643


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 10:06

Possibly Lily’s death. The entry for Luke on the 1939 register suggests he could have been widowed.

GRO Reference: 1922 S Quarter in BURY Volume 08C Page 475

This indicates she could have been born c 1901 +/- 1

Might she have died in childbirth?


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 10:15

As there are several births which could be Lily’s, you may need to purchase a copy of her & Lukes MC. That would give her father’s name. The witnesses might be from her side of the family.
£11 from GRO - the price went up today.

Although you’ve asked for Ancestors info, you’ve posted on Find living relatives. Was this in error & you’re actually looking for O’Brien/Nash descendants?

Online travel records stop at 1960. We won’t be able to find William/Billy’s journey overseas. There are a number of marriages for a William H O’Brien in Lancashire. Any one of them could be his.

You do have threads about Eustace ancestors already so we can ignore those eg


Sheila Report 16 Feb 2019 12:31

Thank you very much for all your hard work here!
yes please ignore the Eustace refs as these are ongoing on a different thread.

It may have seemed odd to post on Find Living Relatives. but it was just a long shot to see if there is anyone still out there family wise who may have any information tucked away which would back up research into our ancestry. Why didn't I ask questions when I was younger!

The Corcoran Household which you found is definitely a family link. And very interesting.
… Luke Nash was my Gt Uncle, ( His sister was my nan Kate. I have all the siblings and their parents from the census's)

Mary A (nee Nash) was also a sibling (Lukes sister) who married Christopher Corcoran.
I think Elizabeth (Bessie) and Alice were their children....My mums cousins,
I remember Aunt Bessie and her children well.
Sorry, I'm waffling!
Thank you again for the information. Every little bit helps as they say.
:-) :-)


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 16 Feb 2019 15:55

The mother’s maiden name for both Elizabeth & Alice Corcoran was Nash. It looks as if They had at least 4 other sisters.

From GRO
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in BURY Volume 08C Page 583

GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in BURY Volume 08C Page 542

From freebmd

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Corcoran Elizabeth Nash Bury 8c 1063

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Corcoran Lilian Nash Bury 8c 900

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Corcoran Agnes Nash Bury 8c 778

Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Corcoran Alice Nash Bury 8c 917 <<

[not going to follow through or look for earlier/later births as you may already have them]

Try using the Search All Member trees- top right under Search- for all Lily Lord’s born 1900-1902. Contact any tree owner to ask if they know if theirs married Luke Nash.
You could do the same for William O’Brien jr born in Lancashire. As his birth was reg 1st quarter 1948, he might have been born late 1947.


Sheila Report 18 Feb 2019 12:37

Thank you so much Detective.
Some of this info I do have but some I didn't, So filled a few gaps. Brilliant.

What I am really looking for is as mentioned in another thread, and that is definite parents for William Nash and Mary Eustace,
William it seems is listed as Guilelmum and Mary is listed as Mariam. born in Ireland 1864/65

I have a marriage now for them 1/11/1887 St Peter Middleton Lancs
With grooms Father as Roberti Nash and Brides father as Joannes (John) Eustace. (Thank you Abby for that). So although the parents listed can now be accepted as fact,
the list of children I have now for John and Margaret Eustace (nee Bruce) doesn't include a Mary of the right age i.e. born c 1865

Meanwhile I have taken down all the info which you sent and intend to add this once I manage to untangle John Margaret and Mary Eustace, Hopefully I will find the right ones!

I need to close this thread for now though and concentrate on the William and Mary thread.
I really appreciate all your help.
Kind regards
Sheila B
:-S :-S


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 18 Feb 2019 16:25

Edit your opening post on this thread & add ANSWERED to the title. That way people will know that you don’t require additional info at the moment.
The ‘answered’ button can’t be removed once ticked. The title can be altered.

You can always come back to it at a later date if there’s something else you want to ask about this branch.


Sheila Report 19 Feb 2019 12:13

Thank you so much.
your information and help has been very informative and invaluable.
very best wishes
Sheila B