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I have just found another of the family William Tyler he was address ,Barracks ,Ballinrobe Co Mayo mother Ann nee McLaughin occ of Father Sergent 1873 21first June
1870 3rd July Barrack ,Belurbet ,John Henry male Father William Tyler,Belurbet,Mother Anne Tyler nee McLaughlin,Fathers OCC Sergent 8TH Hussars,not sure when they all died cant anyone help thank you

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First name(s): William
Last name: TYLER
Calculated year of birth: 1840
Parish of birth: Slewston
Town of birth: Market Harborough
County of birth: Leicestershire
Age at attestation: 18 years 1 months
Attestation date: 22 February 1858
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Serjeant
Discharge corps: 8th (King's Royal Irish) Hussars
Discharge soldier number: 733
The National Archives reference: WO97

Discharged 3rd May 1879 when second period of limited engagement came to an end.

Served 21 yrs, 71 days, including over 5 yrs in the East Indies.

Of good conduct, never coutmartialed, never wounded, never in the regiment's defaulter's book

Originally enlisted in the 97th Foot.

Transferred to the 8th Hussars as a private 9th Nov 1862.

Promoted to corporal 5th Sept 1865

Promoted to Sergeant 9th Jan 1867.

Re-enlisted 20th Aug 1867 -3rd May 1879.

When he was discharged he was described as aged 39 yrs 4 months, 5 ft 6 1/2 inches, fresh complexion, brown hair and hazel eyes. Trade - Labourer.

EDIT: Some locations given in his records: Aldershot May 1865, Manchester Oct 1867,Hamilton May 1868, Curragh Camp July 1870, May 1872. Aldershot April 1875.

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1861 Worldwide Army Index


First Name(s):William
Last Name:Tyler
Number:497
Rank:Private
Unit:97th Foot (Earl of Ulster''s)
Regiment Stationed at:Jubbulpore East Indies
National Archives reference:WO12 / 9708

EDIT. His number here is 497, on his service records it is 733, except for a page regarding his medical history when with the 97th foot, where his regimental number is written as 491 (not 497) and this has been crossed out and replaced by 733.

These births don't give father's name, so not sure if your man is the father as there may be other Tylers in the 8th Hussars:

EDiT They do all occur after William's marriage to Ann, and before his discharge from the 8th Hussars in 1879.

Name: TYLER, Ellen
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 8th (King's Royal Irish) Hussars
Place: Armagh
Country: Ireland
Year: 1868
Volume: 267
Page: 56
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Name: TYLER, John H
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 8th (King's Royal Irish) Hussars
Place: Armagh
Country: Ireland
Year: 1870
Volume: 267
Page: 56
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Name: TYLER, Elizabeth A
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 8th (King's Royal Irish) Hussars
Place: Ballinrobe
Country: Ireland
Year: 1873
Volume: 267
Page: 44
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Name: TYLER, William J
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 8th (King's Royal Irish) Hussars
Place: Aldershot
Country: England
Year: 1875
Volume: 267
Page: 55
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Name: TYLER, Frederick
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Regiment: 8th (King's Royal Irish) Hussars
Place: Aldershot
Country: England
Year: 1877
Volume: 267
Page: 55
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Marriage?

William Tyler married Ann Mclaughlin
Name: TYLER, William
Registration district: Farnham
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1866
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 87
Name: MCLAUGHLIN, Ann
Registration district: Farnham
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1866
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 87

More on the marriage:

Name: William Tyler
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1842
Marriage Date: 4 Jan 1866
Archive Provided Parish: Camberley, St Michael
Parish as it Appears: Frimley
Spouse:
Ann Mclaughlin
Spouse Age: 17
Father: John Tyler
Spouse Father: Henry Mclaughlin
Reference Number: CAMM/2/1

William aged 24, a soldier, address Aldershot, bachelor, son of John Tyler, gamekeeper.

Ann aged 17, spinster, address Yorktown, father Henry Mclaughlin, labourer.

Marriage solemnised in Yorktown church in the parish of Frimley.

William H and Henry J in census 1891. Looks like Henry J also served in the military:

EDIT: That's John H and William J.

Address: 51, Great Sutton Street, Clerkenwell County: London

PLUMLEY William E Head Married M 27 1864 Gas Fitter Assistant
St Sepulchre, London
PLUMLEY, Caroline Wife Married F 26 1865 Lambeth, London
PLUMLEY, Elizabeth B Daughter Single F 4 1887 Southwark, London
FERGUSON, William J F G Boarder Married M 27 1864 Sorting Clerk Postal Service
St Clement Danes, London
TYLER, John H Boarder Single M 20 1871 Gas Fitters Assistant
Ireland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
TYLER, William J Visitor Single M 15 1876 Drummer 18th Royal Trist Reg Aldershot, Hampshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Record for Willliam James Tyler:

First name(s): William James
Last name: TYLER
Calculated year of birth: 1875
Parish of birth: Aldershot
Town of birth: Aldershot
County of birth: Hampshire
Age at attestation: 15 years 5 months
Attestation date: 1 November 1890
Attestation corps: Royal Irish Regiment
Attestation soldier number: 3706
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO97

His next of kin is given as a sister, Ellen, First Cottage, Alfred Cottage, Sutton, Surrey. The next of kin was originally his mother, Ann Tyler, but her name and address have been crossed out and replaced by Ellen's.

Looks like William Tyler had died by 1891, as wife Ann is a widow:

Census 1891:

Address: 4, Sudley Cottages, Vine Street, Aldershot County: Surrey

TYLER, Ann Head Widow F 42 1849 Laundress London
TYLER, Elizabeth Daughter F 17 1874 General Servant
Ireland

William was alive in 1881. Strangely daughter Ellen's birthplace is given as Manchester, though the year tallies with the Irish registration i posted earlier. However William was in Manchester in Oct 1867, so we don't know how long he remained there. Was she born in one location, but registered in another?

Census 1881:

Address: 2, Kinloch St, Islington County: London, Middlesex

TYLER, William Head Married M 40 1841 Beadle (Church Officer)
Slawston, Leicestershire
TYLER, Annie Wife Married F 33 1848 Chatham, Kent
TYLER, Ellen Daughter Single F 13 1868 Schr
Mnchstr, Lshire
TYLER, John Son Single M 10 1871 Schr Ireland
TYLER, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 7 1874 Schr Ireland
TYLER, William Son Single M 5 1876 Schr Aldershot, Hampshire
TYLER, Frederick Son Single M 3 1878 Schr Aldershot, Hampshire
TYLER, Charles Son Single M 0 1881 Hollwy, Middlesex

Ellen seems to have married as Helen:

Name: Helen Tyler
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Malcolm Bonner Morgan
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jan 1892
Parish: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Tyler
Spouse Father: Andrew Bennett Morgan
Register Type: Parish Register

Her father William Tyler is described as dead, but also as a beadle, which tallies with William's occupation in the 1881 census above.

Malcolm filed for divorce from Helen in 1904, by which time they had had six children,two of whom had died. he claimed she had committed adultery and was expecting a child to whom he was not the father, and asked for custody of the four surviving children. The divorce was granted in 1905.

Is this Charles Tyler in 1891 ( he was not with widowed mother Ann?)

1891 census transcription details for: Central London District School, Hanwell

TYLER, Charles Inmate Single M 10 1881 Scholar London

If so this might be a younger brother:

TYLER, Francis Inmate Single M 8 1883 Scholar London

This baptism would seem to bear this out:

Name: Francis Edwin Tyler
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1882
Father's Name: William Tyler
Mother's Name: Annie Tyler
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westcheap St Peter
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Father William is a beadle at Christ's Hospital.

Charles wasn't baptised until 1886, along with a sister called Harriet:

Name: Charles Edward Tyler
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1886
Father's Name: William Tyler
Mother's Name: Annie Tyler
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westcheap St Peter
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Birth date recorded as May 22nd 1880, Father a beadle at Christ's hospital. Address 4 Ball Court.

Name: Harriet Tyler
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1886
Father's Name: William Tyler
Mother's Name: Annie Tyler
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westcheap St Peter
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born Aug 6th 1886. Details for father as for Charles.

Interestingly, although Harriet was baptised as the child of William and Annie, in 1891 she is described as Helen/Ellen's daughter:

NB Syler on transcript, Tyler on image:

Address: 22, Great Coram Street, St George Bloomsbury
County: London

GREEN, Charles Head Married M 28 1863 House PainterLondon
GREEN, Clara Wife Married F 28 1863 Blandford, Dorsetshire
GREEN, William Son Single M 2 1889 Islington, London
LEWIS, Henry Head Boarder Married M 46 1845 Writer & Decorator
Newport, Shropshire
LEWIS, Lizzie Wife Married F 31 1860 ?, Wales
LEWIS, Albert Son M 7 1884 Paddington, London
KEMP, James Head Boarder Married M 23 1868 CoachmanPimlico, London
KEMP, Lavinia Wife Married F 21 1870 Hertford, Staffordshire
SYLER, Helen Boarder Single F 23 1868 Manchester, Lancashire<<<
SYLER, Harriet Daughter F 4 1887 London<<<<

William was born c1841 Slewston/Slawston according to his military records and census 1881. His marriage recod says father was John Tyler a game keeper.

Is this William in 1851?

Address: Othorpe Lodge, Slawston County: Rutlandshire

TYLER, John Head Married M 38 1813 Agricultural Labourer
Slawston, Leicestershire<<<<<<<<<<<<
TYLER, Rebecca Wife Married F 36 1815 Slawston, Leicestershire
TYLER, Joseph Son M 14 1837 Slawston, Leicestershire
TYLER, John Son M 12 1839 Slawston, Leicestershire
TYLER, William Son M 10 1841 Slawston, Leicestershire<<<<<<
TYLER, James Son M 7 1844 Slawston, Leicestershire
TYLER, Charles Son M 5 1846 Slawston, Leicestershire
TYLER, Henry Son M 2 1849 Slawston, Leicestershire-,
Infant Son M 0 (2 MOS) 1851 Slawston, Leicestershire

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Name: John Tyler<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Rebecca Marlin Or Marlow<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 16 Nov 1835
Event Place: Slawston,Leicester,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06042-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 595776
Reference ID:

Kucinta thank you very much for all what you have put i will ask someone to have alok at my docoments ,as i have got brain damage and cant remember things ,but i do remember i had young one in Ireland in the army not sure which one he was from think his first name was John

I Have Henry MCLaughlin i think he married Bridget they went to AMerica he was 38 years old and in the army,they had 3 girls born there and one other girl and boy in Bronton but i cant make anything out about them,if you could help please thank you

This would seem to be the McLaughlin Family, including daughter Ann, under the variation McGlockland in census 1851. Ann Tyler nee McLaughlin said on the 1881 census she was born Chatham c1848:

Census 1851:


Reg. District: Medway
Sub District: Gillingham

Ecclesiastical District: Brompton
City/Municipal Borough: Chatham

Address: Near St Mary's Barracks, Gillingham, Chatham
County: Kent

MCGLOCKLAND, Henry Head Married M 38 1813 Private Soldier (Army)Ireland
MCGLOCKLAND, Bridget Wife Married F 34 1817 Ireland
MCGLOCKLAND, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 America British SubjectMCGLOCKLAND, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1841
America British Subject
MCGLOCKLAND, Ellen Daughter F 7 1844
America British Subject
MCGLOCKLAND, Ann Daughter F 4 1847 Brompton, Kent<<<<
MCGLOCKLAND, Henry Son M 2 1849 Brompton, Kent<<<<<

The son, young Henry born Brompton, Chatham, also joined the army:

First name(s): Henry
Last name: MCLAUGHLIN
Calculated year of birth: 1846
Parish of birth: Brompton
Town of birth: Chatham
County of birth: Kent
Age at attestation: 14 years
Attestation date: 29 December 1860
Attestation corps: 4th Foot
Attestation soldier number: 65
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO97

A labourer aged 14 whn he enlisted, fresh complexion, brown hair, hazel eyes, 4 ft 7ins.

He was discharged at Madras in Oct 1882. No details of next of kin or marriage recorded on his record.

Not sure if this is the record for the father, Henry Mclaughlin, as age is out with that given in census 1851, but he seems to have been discharged at Chatham.

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First name(s): Henry
Last name: MCLAUGHLIN
Calculated year of birth: 1809
Parish of birth: Dungwen
Town of birth: Dungwen
County of birth: Derry (Londonderry)
Age at attestation: 21 years
Attestation date: 17 December 1830
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Private
Discharge corps: Royal Newfoundland Companies
Discharge soldier number: 333
The National Archives reference: WO97

A labourer by trade he enlisted in the 58th regiment of foot in Derry. he served 9 years in Newfoundland and the remainder at home.


At the time of his discharge he was a labourer by trade, 5 ft 7 ins, grey eyes, dark brown hair and a sallow complexion, aged 43 years.

he was discharged at Chatham in June 1852 as unfit for further service, but appears to have had problems with his legs back in 1844.

His chronic rheumatism and debility was certified to be a result of climate and military srvice, and not of intoxicating liquors or other vices.

His character and conduct was said to be very good, and he was in possession of four good conduct badges.

He married in Sept 1831.

There is no record of wife or family other than the statement he married in Sept 1831.