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Sorry as my family on that side were v quiet about there family.
William irvine walker was not olive and hildas father,archibald meakin was,
We dont know who john kenneth walkers father was.but hilda and olive were both brough up as walkers,in fact they thought there father was william irvine walker,but infact he was archibald meakin,my mum hilda and olive found this out later in life,
But we think john kenneth walker found out earlier,hence joing the army and never been seen again,but we do know that emily roberts my grandma did meet john kenneth at some point after the war,but only briefly,my auntie has john kenneth walkers birth cert,the record i have found on genes is emily roberts registration for john kenneth walker born hulme manchester 13.12.1921.these are the only facts we have,i have emily roberts living with archibald meakin in a census in liverpool but no mention of any children.but we do know that a.j.meakin was married to another person,
So this is why it was hush hush,for those days,
So finding john kenneth walker will be prob near inposible
Reg

So fact emily roberts mother,,john kenneth walker born 13.12.1920/21.
Thanks :-)

His birth was 1920 - NO DOUBT.


There are TWO closed records on 1939 register - they will be the two girls.

1939
Emily Walker 27 Jan 1898 Female General Shop Keeper Married 213 1
The record for this person is officially closed
The record for this person is officially closed
Archibald (J) Meakin 14 Dec 1889 Male Ice Cream Salesman Married 213 4


You say your aunt has the birth cert

Please get her to tell you EXACTLY what it says.
Then post the EXACT details on here.

Thanks

Yo haven't answered my question about the Regiment/Corps he joined

Do you have any idea?

No idea only that he served in north africa
Regards.

John kenneth walker born 13 dec 1920 mother emily roberts born hulme manchester father william irvine walker,but my mums and aunties cert,say william irvine walker.
But we know archibald meakin was there biological father,they say they never met a william irvine walker,it wasnt until later in life william irvine walker was infact archibald meakin,i cannot find a marriage cert for emily roberts or william walker?
Regards

It doesn't look as if they did marry, George.

Just in case it turns out to be relevant -

this is the William Irvine Walker whose birth ErikaH posted on page 1:

SR District/Reg Area - Belfast
Birth of WILLIAM WALKER in 1897
Name WILLIAM WALKER
Date of Birth 1897
Group Registration ID 9853905
SR District/Reg Area Belfast

William Irvine Walker, 6 May 1897 at 8 Shaftesbury Avenue.
Father: Joseph Walker, clerk.
Mother, Martha Walker, nee Irvine.



Wm Irvne Walker
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Wm Irvne Walker
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Birth Date: abt 1897
Birth Place: Belfast
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
House Number: 37
Residence Place: Clooney Terrace, Waterside, Londonderry, Ireland
Relation to Head: Son
Occupation: Scholars
Religion: Presbyterian
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Walker 29 - representative of GRNG in Derry
Martha M Walker 29
Percy S Walker 6
Wm Irvne Walker 4
Josephine Walker 2
Maggie Walker 26


He's not with his parents in 1911:

Joseph Walker
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Joseph Walker
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Stranmillis Road
District: Cromac
County: Antrim
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Walker 40 - railway traffic agent
Martha M Walker 40
Percivel Walker 15
Josephine Walker 11
Ella Ferguson Walker 7

Looks like a dead end,i have walkers on military search but not enough info,
Need his decendants to be on genes,
But he probably hasnt told them very much either.
Thanks for your help
Keep safe :-)

One further question
Who registered John Kenneth’s birth?

My grandma emily roberts
Thanks

Going on the fact you say he married a Swedish girl.
There is a marriage to a Freda E Amsdorf in 1942.
There are to sons from the marriage, born 1942 and 1950

Freda Eveline Amsdorf wasn't Swedish . (But of course George's family lore may be mistaken).

Born West Derby , 25 Aug 1917.
1939: living with mother Lily (widow - nee Hesketh) at 25 Shalcross St, Liverpool.
Died 1993 Liverpool.

Her father Frederick Louis born Liverpool 1886 ( birth reg as Louis Amstoff ):
Listed as Louis at birth, in 1891 & 1901 censuses, at death and burial.
Died 1929. Address at burial: 25 Shalcross St.
His father Henry born Austria per 1891 and 1901, though transcription of naturalisation record (1894) says born Galicia.
Can't view the image of naturalisation document on Ancestry - the image just flashes up for a second then disappears again.

First name(s) Freda Eveline
Last name Amsdorf
Age 24
Birth year 1918
Marital status Spinster
Year 1942
Marriage year 1942
Marriage date 07 Aug 1942
Place Everton, St John the Evangelist
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 25 Shallcross Street
Father's first name(s) Lewis
Father's last name Amsdorf
Father's occupation Deceased
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Walker
Spouse's age 24
Spouse's birth year 1918*****************
Spouse's occupation Soldier No 3653032
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Spouse's residence 13 Shallcross Street
Spouse's father's first name(s) James Henry
Spouse's father's last name Walker
Spouse's father's occupation Deceased
Witness 1 Sarah Ann Brown
Witness 2 John Patterson
County Lancashire

BTW- George said the man married a Swiss girl - not Swedish. Not that there's a marriage anywhere on freebmd for John K Walker to a name which seems non-UK in origin

True - in that case Freda may well be the correct one - Austrian antecedents - not too far from being Swiss, I suppose!


But the snag is James Henry Walker, not the suggested William Irvine Walker.

Also the age is wrong - plus no second forename, and, allegedly, he was known as 'Kenny'

13 Shallcross Street is occupied by people named Lamb in 1939

AG have i lost the plot or did George not say his aunty had the birth cert and they didn't know who his father was.
Are we looking for John K Walker reg Chorlton jfm qt of 1921

I came to the conclusion on the marriage, because George said he joined the forces at 15yrs old, so he could have lied about his age and his father has he did not have his birth cert.

Elizabeth -
I find it very hard to figure out exactly what George is saying about John K's father.

Yes, it seems we are talking about the 1921 Chorlton birth.

George said earlier,
"John kenneth walker born 13 dec 1920 mother emily roberts born hulme manchester father william irvine walker,but my mums and aunties cert,say william irvine walker.
But we know archibald meakin was there biological father,they say they never met a william irvine walker,it wasnt until later in life william irvine walker was infact archibald meakin"

I THINK that means the birth cert says his father was William Irvine Walker - and certainly as he was registered as Walker, a Walker father must have been named.

George MAY be saying that Archibald Meakin and William Irvine Walker may have been one and the same person ??

Is that what you mean, George?


EDIT:
On the other thread George says he has traced the Meakin line - so presumably William was NOT the same person as Archibald Meakin.
This death was suggested as being William's, though George didn't say if it was or not:

Deaths Mar 1961 (>99%)
WALKER William I 75 Salford 10f 712