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WW1 Memorial Plaque

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AndyTG

AndyTG Report 8 Nov 2017 22:44

Today I received a WW1 Memorial Plaque known as “the Dead Man’s Penny” of a William Barton. Our family William Barton 21/6/1883 - 14/10/1918. Service No 35284. Its about a 1 in 20 chance it was given to my wife's great great uncle's family? The seller brought it at an auction and cannot provide any details. The number 86 is stamped behind the lion's back leg are any records via this number that may indicate which family of William Barton received this originally?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Nov 2017 00:17

I don't think there will be records that have anything to do with the number stamped on the "Penny".

This is what is recorded on the Commonwealth Graves Commission website:-

Private
BARTON, W

Service Number 35284

Died 14/10/1918

4th Bn.
Worcestershire Regiment

Father of Miss B. M. Barton, of 147, Well St., Hockley, Birmingham.

I think since it is his daughter that is mentioned and not his wife that perhaps his daughter was the one to have originally received the "Penny" - although I honestly don't know for certain.

Kath. x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Nov 2017 07:10

http://www.worcestershireregiment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2540

("His wife had died the year before and his next of kin was Miss Beatrice Barton, his 10 year old daughter")

(he is on above from google search)

Chris :)

(if below)

Birth
BARTON, BEATRICE MAY (GRIMSLEY)
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 367

Birth
BARTON, IVY (GRIMSLEY)
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 345


Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------
Barton William Birmingham 6d 241
Grimsley Beatrice Birmingham 6d 241


1911 (Find My Past)
Harriet Grimsley Head Widow Female - 63 1848 Netherwitakre Warwickshire
Beatrice Barton Daughter Married Female Pen Worker 26 1885 Newhall Hill Bham
William Barton Son - In - Law Married Male Jeweller 27 1884 Bridge St Bham
Beatrice May Barton Grand - Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Lozells Bham
Ivy Barton Grand - Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Lozells Bham
Albert Ernest Barnes Boarder Single Male General Printer 36 1875 Kingsholm Gloster
Eliza Stevens Boarder Widow Female - 79 1832 St Peters Worcester
Address 89 Wilton St Aston
Parish Aston Manor
County Warwickshire
Census reference RG14 PN18277 RG78 PN1102 RD385 SD4 ED8 SN269


1891 (Find My Past)
George Barton Head Widower Male 44 1847 Gun Smith -
Harry Barton Son Single Male 21 1870
Nelly Barton Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Jeweller -
Charles W Barton Son Single Male 16 1875 Chaser Jewellers Apprentice -
Florence Barton Daughter - Female 13 1878 Errand Girl -
Elizabeth Barton Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar England
William Barton Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar
Street Paddington Street
County Warwickshire
Registration district Birmingham
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2388
Folio 112
Page 22


1901 (Find My Past)
George Barton Head Widower Male 54 1847 Gun Percussioner Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Florence Barton Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Jeweller Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Elizabeth Barton Daughter Single Female 21 1880 House Keeper Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
William Barton Son Single Male 17 1884 Jeweller Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ada Barton Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Cotton Card Room Hand Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
House Court, 4, Paddington Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire

(above Address as 1904 Marriage)


All UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 (Ancestry)

(on above, To whom Authorised. Bro. Charles W.)


All Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 (Ancestry)

(1904 Marriage on above, his Father, George Barton occ. Gun Smith. Her Father, William Grimsley occ. Packing Case Maker)


All Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Ivy Barton
(Birth Date) 17 Mar 1910 (Baptism Date) 30 Mar 1910 Birmingham, St Matthias
William, Beatrice. (Abode, 89, Wilton St. occ. Porter)


Deaths Sep 1912 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
GRIMSLEY Harriett 67 Aston 6d 301


All Birmingham, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1964 (Ancestry)

(her Burial on above, July 9th, Abode, 89 Wilton Street)


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1325274

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 9 Nov 2017 11:36

If you have a look here:-

http://www.researchingww1.co.uk/ww1-memorial-plaque

and scroll about half way down the page underneath the heading "Making the Memorial Plaque" it says that the number between the lion's rear leg and tail shows that the plaque was cast at Woolwich and the number indicates the worker who worked on it.

Kath. x

AndyTG

AndyTG Report 9 Nov 2017 14:12

Thank you Kathleen & Chris, things to follow up (Worcs Reg message board) and good to understand the number on the plaque.

Ivy Barton passed away 1927 confirmed by death certificate, and believe Beatrice May passed away 1991 (never ordered the death certificate). I paid my respects at his grave in 2016 and laid messages from 2 legs of his sisters descendants family. One concerning fact of the extra records the CWGC have been providing in recent years are that his Grave registration Date of death is 18/10/18 yet his headstone and announcement summary say 14/10/18. This problem of conflicting dates also occurs on another of my wife great uncles!


https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/162664/BARTON,%20W