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Can anyone help me find information on my great grandfather, George William Taylor.

I know that he lived in Retford, Nottinghamshire and that he married Paulina Porter Hutchinson in 1897. His age provided on his marriage certificate was 24 so he was born around 1873. His father's name, again from his marriage certificate, was Joseph.

An uncle told me that he joined the army, possibly the Sherwood Foresters or the Sherwood Rangers and was killed in a war, which was before the First World War. To compound the problem, my uncle insists that his name was William Henry Taylor rather than George William Taylor as shown on his marriage certificate.

Thanks in advance,
David

Pre - WW1 would be the Boer War

Have you found him on the 1901 census.?

What was his father’s occupation?

And George’s address when he married

The marriage was 5 July 1897.

His SON was William Henry

Paulina re-married in 1919

Thanks very much for your reply Erika. The information I have from the marriage certificate is that George was a Moulder and his address was Spital Hill, Clarborough. They were married at St Saviours church, also at Clarborough. His father, Joseph, was a Labourer.

George's son, William Henry was my Grandfather and his son, also William Henry, is my uncle. My uncle is convinced that George William's name was really William Henry. He thinks the name was handed down. My mother was still in contact with Paulina until her death in 1970. Paulina remarried twice, first to Samuel Blower in 1919 and then to Ernest Sturgess in 1942 after Samuel passed away in 1941.

Paulina in the 1901 census with her son:-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
(George Inn Yard), 28, Moorgate, Retford, North Retford, East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Paulina Taylor Head Married Female 20 1881 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
William Hy Taylor Son Single Male 2 1899 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

Perhaps Paulina's husband was in the Boer war and over in South Africa in 1901. I know my own grandfather was.

Kath. x

Paulina in 1911 as housekeeper for Samuel Blower (Paulina is given as single but it had said married but this is crossed out and single written above):-

1911 Census For England & Wales
16 Crown Terrace Worksop, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Samuel Blower Head Widower Male 34 1877 Colliery Labourer Below Ground Notts Worksop
Paulina Porter Taylor Servant Single Female 30 1881 House Keeper Domestic Notts Retford<<<<<<<<<<<
William H Taylor Boarder - Male 12 1899 School Notts Retford<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Tom Walter Blower Taylor Boarder - Male 7 1904 School Notts Worksop
Enoch Austin Blower Taylor Boarder - Male 3 1908 - Notts Worksop
Daisy Blower Taylor Boarder - Female 0 1911 - Notts Worksop
Mary Jane Hutchinson Boarder Married Female 51 1860 - Derby Derby
William H Withworth Visitor Single Male 35 1876 General Labourer Notts Sutton on Trent
Henry Longmate Boarder Widower Male 75 1836 Malster Notts Sutton on Trent

Three of the children have Blower as middle name and then Taylor as a surname so it looks as if Paulina and Samuel were a couple for quite a few years before they married.

Kath. x

Posting what I find..........................no opinions as to relevance

Name: H Taylor
Casualty Type: Prisoner
Casualty Date: 7 Jun 1900
Casualty Place: Roodval
Rank: Quartermaster Sergeant
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Number: 747
Remarks: Released


Name: J Taylor
Casualty Type: Prisoner
Casualty Date: 7 Jun 1900
Casualty Place: Roodeval
Rank: Private
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Remarks: Released

Name: J T Taylor
Casualty Type: Prisoner
Casualty Date: 7 Jun 1900
Casualty Place: Roodeval
Rank: Private
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Number: 7104
Remarks: Released

Name: B Taylor
Casualty Type: Wounded
Casualty Date: 6 Mar 1902
Casualty Place: Bushman
Rank: Private
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Number: 4377

Name: W H Taylor
Casualty Type: Wounded
Casualty Date: 7 Jun 1900
Casualty Place: Roodeval
Rank: Private
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Number: 2719

Name: H Taylor
Casualty Type: Prisoner
Casualty Date: 7 Jun 1900
Casualty Place: Roodval
Rank: Private
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Number: 6924
Remarks: Released

Name: J Taylor
Casualty Type: Prisoner
Casualty Date: 7 Jun 1900
Casualty Place: Roodval
Rank: Private
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Number: 6483
Remarks: Released


Name: J Taylor
Casualty Type: Prisoner
Casualty Date: 7 Jun 1900
Casualty Place: Roodeval
Rank: Private
Force: South Africa Field Force
Regiment: Sherwood Foresters
Battalion: 4th Battalion
Number: 6864
Remarks: Released


No other records for Taylor in Sherwood Foresters in the Boer War records on Ancestry

Perhaps the Regiment will be able to help, once the current emergency is over.

I wonder if this could be George's father in 1871:-

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Beck Row, Clarborough, East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Joseph Taylor Head - Male 63 1808 - Nottinghamshire, England
Hannah Taylor Wife - Female 57 1814 - Nottinghamshire, England
Joseph Taylor Son - Male 22 1849 - Nottinghamshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
George Taylor Son - Male 17 1854 - Nottinghamshire, England
Henry Taylor Son - Male 12 1859 - Nottinghamshire, England

This Joseph is a labourer and seems to be born in the right sort of place. He had brothers called George and Henry so he could have named any children he had after his brothers.

Kath. x

One would have expected the wife to be informed if her husband had been killed in action, but she said in 1911 'married', then crossed it out and put 'single'.

Had she been free to marry as early as 1902 (when the Boer War ended), one wonders why she waited until 1919, having had a number of illegitimate children.

It sounds as if maybe the marriage broke up, and she invented the heroic death rather than admit it.

I tend to agree with ErikaH and ArgyllGran. My first thought was that they must have had to wait for one or other of their previous partners to pass away before they could marry.

Kath. x

Re that 1871 census Kath posted.

This looks like that Joseph in 1881 and 1891 - no sign of a son George:

Joseph Taylor
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Joseph Taylor
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Harriet Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: E Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clarborough
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Bakehouse Yard
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Ag Lab
Registration district: East Retford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 3300
Folio: 64
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Taylor 34
Harriet Taylor 31
Sarah A. Taylor 2


Joseph Taylor
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Joseph Taylor
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1849
Spouse: Harriet Taylor
Child: Sarah A Taylor
Birth Place: Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clarborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Clarborough
Residence Place: Little Gringley, Clarborough, Nottinghamshire, England
Registration district: East Retford
Sub registration district: Clarborough
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 2639
Folio: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Taylor 42
Harriet Taylor 41
Sarah A Taylor 12 - Sculcoates
John Wm Taylor 13
Ernest Taylor 11

???

TAYLOR, ERNEST mms SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 7

TAYLOR, JOHN WILLIAM mms SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in EAST RETFORD Volume 07B Page 5

There is this possible death for George but it would mean that his wife's second marriage was bigamous:-

First name(s) GEORGE W
Last name TAYLOR
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1872
Age 66
Death quarter 1
Death year 1938
District East Retford
County Nottinghamshire
Volume 7B
Page 15
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

A tree on Ancestry says he died in Sept 1919 in East Retford district. There is NO record to substantiate this claim

Unless this is it...................

Deaths Sep 1919 (>99%)
Taylor William 46 E.Retford 7b 8

Thanks everyone for your replies and efforts on my behalf. I have been researching this relative for years but after obtaining a copy of the marriage certificate I came to a dead end.

I'd spotted the crossed out "married" and corrected to "single" in the 1911 census that Erika mentioned and wondered if George was missing presumed dead or otherwise unaccounted for. Maybe that explains why Paulina had to wait a number of years before she could remarry.

One other piece of information I found was the names of the witnesses to the marriage; Eleanor Mary Pass and Frederick Pass. I wondered if they might have been neighbours and I was able to find them in the 1901 census, living next door to a family called Taylor. The head of this family was Martha Taylor, a widow, so I checked the 1891 census only to find that her husband was called James rather than Joseph - how frustrating!

TAYLOR, PHILIP BLOWER HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 32
Deaths Dec 1902 (>99%)
Taylor Philip Blower 0 Worksop 7b 15

TAYLOR, ENOCH AUSTIN BLOWER HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 29

TAYLOR, TOM WALTER BLOWER HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 21

TAYLOR, JOHN MARTIN BLOWER HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 20
Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
TAYLOR John Martin B 1 Worksop 7b 22

TAYLOR, DAISY BLOWER HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 27

TAYLOR, SAM BLOWER HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1915 S Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 35

TAYLOR, MARY ANN BLOWER HUTCHINSON
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 37

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Blower
Marriage year 1895
Marriage date 06 Oct 1895
Marriage place Worksop
Church St John
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Clara
Spouse's last name Wilson

BLOWER, LILY WILSON
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 24

BLOWER, SAMUEL WILSON
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 24
Deaths Sep 1900 (>99%)
Blower Samuel 2 Worksop 7b 17

BLOWER, CLARA WILSON
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 26
Deaths Sep 1900 (>99%)
Blower Clara 0 Worksop 7b 21

BLOWER, CLARA 22
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 18

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
15, Colbeck Street, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Samuel Blower Head Married Male 24 1877 Coal Miner (Hewer) Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Clara Blower Wife Married Female 22 1879 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Lilly Blower Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

1911 Census For England & Wales
69 Lowtown St Worksop, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Julia Wilson Head Widow Female 49 1862 Coal Merchant Notts Worksop
Tom Parker Brother Single Male 48 1863 Coal Miner Hewer Notts Worksop
Lily Blower Granddaughter Single Female 15 1896 Dressmaker Notts Worksop
Alfred Vaughan Servant Single Male 27 1884 Coal Porter Notts Worksop
Annice Hadgson Servant Single Female 15 1896 General Servant Domestic Northumberland Workington


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
59, Low Town Street, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
William Wilson Head Married Male 45 1856 Dealer In Potatoes Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Julia Wilson Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Lily Wilson Daughter Single Female 21 1880 General Servant (Domestic) Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Thomas Parker Boarder Single Male 38 1863 Coal Miner Hewer Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Lily Blower Boarder Single Female 5 1896 - Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England

Marriages Dec 1913 (>99%)
Blower Lily Wilks Worksop 7b 117
Wilks Owen Blower Worksop 7b 117

1939

79 Lowtown Street, Worksop M.B., Nottinghamshire, England
Owen Welks 17 Jun 1891 Male Coal Hewer Heavy Worker Below Married 327 1
Lily Welks 14 Dec 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 327 2
John A Vaugham 05 Apr 1882 Male Coal Haulage Hand Single 327 3

Deaths Dec 1974 (>99%)
WILKS OWEN 17JE1891 WORKSOP 8 1394

Lily died JFM 1962