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Thank you Lancashire Ann. I managed to find out what he died of and that it was in Queen Alexander hospital in cosham Hampshire. Also where he was buried which isn't far from where i grew up.

Charles Robert Ogburn died of a perforated gastric ulcer

Widow Alice Jane of 19 Russell St Rugby dob 10/7/1881


son Robert Gibson Ogburn b 9/9/1908

Pension record card Osborne Charles Robert (alias Ogburn)

Im not sure of the uniforms possibly army/navy

You didn't answer the question about the Peacock men's unfiorms...........do you not wish to proceed with that line of enquiry?

They were 100% illegitimate- Sarah wasn’t married when she had them

Ok, thank you. It does look like the rest of Sarah's children were illegitimate and possibly fathers from the workhouse.

Sorry to put a damper on your suggestion, but I would doubt very much that it will help. Sarah will probably have named Thomas - who died in 1877 - as the father, if she named anyone
Sometimes, one has to accept that answers cannot be found

Here is his baptism

Name: Charles Robert Ogburn
Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1879
Baptism Place: Purton with Braydon, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Purton
Mother: Sarah Ogburn......WIDOW

NO father's name
Abode Union Workhouse

As she was in the Workhouse on 1881 census, and her subsequent children were also born there, one can safely assume that the father - or fathers - also resided in the Workhouse

Thsnk you ErikaH, how strange. Maybe if i got Charles Robert Ogburns birth certificate it may shed some light.

Name: Emma Hannah Maria Ogburn
Baptism Date: 17 May 1883
Baptism Place: Purton with Braydon, Wiltshire, England
Mother: Sarah Ogburn, single woman
Abode: Union Workhouse

Name: Emma Hannah Marie Ogburn
Age: 18
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1882
Marriage or Bann Date: 19 Nov 1900
Marriage or Bann Place: Rugby, St Matthew, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Samuel Flower
Father: Thomas Ogburn***************************clearly impossible

Name: Alfred Coates
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 50
Registration District: Rugby

If he knew his father's details, they will be on the cert of his marriage to Sarah

Age is 'out' but the birthplace fits - as does his occupation - Farm labourer.

Suggestions - ONLY - based on birthplace, which is quite specific
Name: Alfred Coates
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Coates
Mother's Name: Sarah Coates
Gender: Male
Where born: Xn Malford, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Christian Malfordh
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Chippenham
Sub-registration District: Castle Combe
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 41
Piece: 1836
Folio: 735
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
James Coates 53
Sarah Coates 54
Alfred Coates 18
David Coates 13


1881
Name: Alfred Coates
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Christian Malford, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Liddiard Millicent
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: Shaw
Marital status: Widower
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
Registration District: Cricklade
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2022
Folio: 23
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Coates 48

1871

Name: Alfred Coats
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Christian Malford Wiltshire England
Civil parish: Avon
Town: [Avon]
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Christian Malford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1900
Folio: 50
Page number: 9
Household Members Age Relationship
Alfred Coats 39 Head
Mary A Coats
23 Wife


Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)

BURCHELL Mary Ann Chippenham 5a 107
COATS Alfred Chippenham 5a 107

1841

Name: Alfred Coates
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Christian Malford
Hundred: North Damerham
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Chippenham
Sub-registration District: Christian Malford
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1173
Book: 6
Folio: 17
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Coates 40
Isaac Coates 15
Alfred Coates 5
David Coates 3
Mary Banington 45

For any degree of certainty, you need the marriage cert

Alternative...........

A tree on Ancestry suggests that this is Alfred
.BUT, it is WRONG, as this man was a Solicitor in 1881
COATES, ALFRED KELSEY
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in SALISBURY Volume 08 Page 414

These are that child's siblings

COATES, ERNEST KELSEY
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in SALISBURY Volume 08 Page 361
COATES, MERVIN HENRY KELSEY
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in SALISBURY Volume 08 Page 402

and

Name: Mervin Henry Coates
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 22 Oct 1844
Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1844
Baptism Place: St. Edmunds, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Father:
William Martin Coates
Mother:
Caroline Ann Amelia

Which uniforms, please? Which service?

The picture is of James Henry Peacock senior and junior together in their uniforms.

Name: James Henry Peacock
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1892
Baptism Place: Holy Trinity, Darlington, Durham, England
Father: James Peacock
Mother: Sophia

You say you've 'found a picture'. What does it depict, please?

1939

5 Penava Road, Rugby, Rugby M.B., Warwickshire, England
James H Peacock 28 Mar 1892 Male Iron Moulder Heavy Worker Married 228 1
Lilian Peacock 20 Dec 1898 Female Office Cleaner Married 228 2
James H Peacock 11 Dec 1919 Male Railway Telephone Attendant Single 228 3
George E Peacock 19 Jan 1924 Male Messenger Boy Elect Eng Single 228 4
Ernest R Peacock 03 Jul 1928 Male At School Single 228 5
1 closed record

Re WW2 records

You have to apply for them and pay £30.00, unless you are the service person's widow(er).


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-records-of-deceased-service-personnel

You MAY also be required to provide a copy death certificate, and to prove your entitlment to apply.

James Henry (junior)'s WW2 record (if any) won't be online - WW2 records are still with the MOD.

What is it you're asking, Tina?
Are you hoping for James (senior)'s army record?


???
James Henry Peacock
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: James Henry Peacock
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1892
Baptism Place: Holy Trinity, Darlington, Durham, England
Father:
James Peacock
Mother:
Sophia
FHL Film Number: 1894188
Reference ID: item 6 p 40


James H Peacock
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James H Peacock
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: James Peacock
Mother: Sophia Peacock
Birth Place: Cockerton, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Darlington
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration District: Darlington
Sub-registration District: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors:
Piece: 4618
Folio: 31
Page Number: 11
Household Schedule Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
James Peacock 33
Sophia Peacock 30
James H Peacock 9
Ernest R Peacock 6
John H Peacock 3
John Peacock 1


James H Peacock
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James H Peacock
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Darlington, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 94 Whessoe Lane Rise Carr
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Labourer Foundry
Registration District: Darlington
Registration District Number: 543
Sub-registration District: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 29523
Household Members:
Name Age
James Peacock 42
Sophia Peacock 40
James H Peacock 19
Richard Peacock 16
Harry Peacock 13
John Peacock 12


The marriage you mention:

Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
Ogburn Lilian Peacock Rugby 6d 1666
Peacock James H Ogburn Rugby 6d 1666



???

James Peacock
in the Web: UK, Royal Naval Reserve Service Records Index, 1860-1955
Name: James Peacock
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1893
Birth Place: Darlington, Yorkshire
Date: 1908-1955
Service Number: S 2561

Hi everyone, thank you for all your help. I am so overwhelmed with all the information you have all found out for me. I managed to find some of it out in the end and unearthed more possible relatives that may have been in the armed forces as found a picture.

James Henry Peacock
1892-1967 Born in Darlington
Married Lilian Ogburn in 1917

James Henry Peacock (The son)
1919-1963 Born in Rugby
Married Elsie Stanton.
Died in Kirkham Lancashire.

I would be grateful for any help on this.

Charles Robert Osborne
in the UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: Charles Robert Osborne
Gender: Male
Rank: Pte
Record Type: Card
Death Date: 26 Apr 1916
Service Number: 19833
Corps, Regiment or Unit: Ox & Bucks Light Infantry
Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description: Other Ranks Died Orr A-Osborne L
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Charles Robert Osborne
Alice Jane Osborne Widow
Robert Gibson Ogburn