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Peter

Peter Report 31 Mar 2012 18:06

Ah thank you MarieCeleste. I did not think of this. I am already in touch with a branch descended from part of the tree and I see that they have her marrying a William Ferguson in 1891 in Hartlepool, County Durham. Maybe this Mary Jane Magee was unoffically adopted and took that family name at that specific time?

Peter

Peter Report 31 Mar 2012 18:05

Ah thank you MarieCeleste. I did not think of this. I am already in touch with a branch descended from part of the tree and I see that they have her marrying a William Ferguson in 1891 in Hartlepool, County Durham. Maybe this Mary Jane Magee was unoffically adopted and took that family name at that specific time?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 31 Mar 2012 17:24

Peter if you go back to page 1 you'll see AnnCardiff posted (a few years back!) an 1881 census that showed a May J Magee, that most likely is the lass who married Robert Sproat in 1891.

Peter

Peter Report 31 Mar 2012 13:21

Wow thank you for all of this wonderful information! I have been offline for a few days but this is fantastic! With this, can I ask a question ... who on earth is Mary Jane Magee who marred Mr Sproat ... I suppose she was the daughter of Mary Magee (illegitimate), before she married John Quigley?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Mar 2012 17:19

This might be why I can't see John in the 1911:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: John Quigley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1904
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 443

and the youngest daughter from the 1901:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Hilda Quigley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1903
Age at Death: 10
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 405

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 24 Mar 2012 16:58

Here's the 1901 for John and family:

QUIGLEY, John Head Widower M 53 1848 Foundry Labourer Ireland Kilkenny
QUIGLEY, James Son Single M 22 1879 Iron Moulder Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Arthur Son Single M 19 1882 Foundry Labourer Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Agnes Daughter Single F 17 1884 Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Norah Daughter Single F 15 1886 Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, John Son Single M 13 1888 Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Hilda Daughter Single F 8 1893 Thornaby Yorkshire

Registration District: Middlesbrough
Civil Parish: Thornaby

Address: 3, Gordon Terrace, Thornaby County: Yorkshire (North riding)

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 23 Mar 2012 22:56

Robert William & Mary Jane in 1891:

1891 England Census
about Robert Wm Sproat Name: Robert Wm Sproat
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Sproat
Gender: Male
Where born: Thornby, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Thornaby
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby
Town: South Stockton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Thornaby
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4019
Folio: 38
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Wm Sproat 23
Mary Jane Sproat 19 , born Middleton Teesdale

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 23 Mar 2012 22:37

Mary Jane Magee married Robert William Sproat:

Result Year Surname Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact
1 1890 MAGEE MARY J M-AA-J28-0-0200 Middlesbrough
2 1890 SPROAT ROBERT W M-AA-J28-0-0200 Middlesbrough

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MargaretM

MargaretM Report 23 Mar 2012 22:30

The children in 1911. Did they have an older sister Mary Jane who married Robert William Sproat?

1911 England Census
about John Quigley Name: John Quigley
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Thornaby, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Thornaby
County/Island: Yorkshire-North Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Gordon Terrace Thornaby On Tees
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Registration District Number: 535
Sub-registration district: Thornaby
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Piece: 29315
Household Members: Name Age
Robert William Sproat 43
Mary Jane Sproat 39
Mary Teresa Sproat 18
Norah Sproat 17
Robert Sproat 5
Arthur Vincent Sproat 3
James Quigley 32
Arthur Quigley 29
Agnes Quigley 27
Norah Quigley 24
John Quigley 22



MargaretM

MargaretM Report 23 Mar 2012 22:22

Closest one I can see is this one, Thornaby being part of Middlesbrough but it says she was born Castle Eden, Durham.

1891 England Census
about Mary A Quigley Name: Mary A Quigley
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Quigley
Gender: Female
Where born: Castle Eden, Durham, England

Civil parish: Thornaby
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby
Town: South Stockton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Thornaby
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4019
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Quigley 43
Mary A Quigley 40
James Quigley 13
Margeret Quigley 12
Arthur Quigley 8
Agnes Quigley 7
Nora T Quigley 5
John Quigley 2

Peter

Peter Report 23 Mar 2012 21:34

Thanks there - you have found them. Can you spot John or the children in 1901/1911?

Thank you

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Mar 2012 19:54

This 1891 has been transcribed as Margaret, but it's definitely Mary A on the original:


QUIGLEY, John Head Married M 43 1848 Fitter Ireland
QUIGLEY, Margaret Wife Married F 40 1851 Durham Castle Eden **
QUIGLEY, James Son M 13 1878 Apprentice Moulder Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Margaret Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Arthur Son M 8 1883 Scholar Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Agnes Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, Nora T Daughter F 5 1886 Thornaby Yorkshire
QUIGLEY, John Son M 2 1889 Thornaby Yorkshire

Sub District: Thornaby
Enumeration District: 1
Ecclesiastical Parish: Thornaby

Address: 6, Russell Street, Thornaby, South Stockton County: Yorkshire (North Riding)

** Castle Eden is in the vicinity of Hutton Henry & Wingate but not Stokesley as Peter mentioned.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Mar 2012 19:46

Peter - have you found John Quigley in 1881/91? Did they have any children?

Peter

Peter Report 23 Mar 2012 16:04

Hmmmmm not sure about John in court in 1873 - could be but nothing to say for definite. And I think the John Magee in 1891 and 1901 is a nephew of John Magee (b 1852).

Ok, John is proving difficult.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 23 Mar 2012 15:27

If it is John A b. Hutton Henry then he is on the 1891/1901 Census for Easington.."McGee"

1901 Census Easington John A. Magee abt 1857 1901 Hutton Henry
1891 Census Easington John Augustine Magee [McGee] abt 1857 1891 Hutton Henry

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 23 Mar 2012 14:58

I woner if this could be your John Magee? He was charged with attempting to obtain money by false pretence and was acquitted.

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about John Magee Name: John Magee
Date of Trial: 7 Apr 1873
Trial Year: 1873
Location of Trial: Durham, England
Sentence: Acquittal
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image


Peter

Peter Report 23 Mar 2012 14:18

Hi there,

The 1871 census shown above is John Magee, born c. 1852 ... the father, Arthur, was a travelling hawker before settling, so I assume 'South Wingate' is a mistake made at the time. Perhaps confusion when asked questions etc. This is definitley the same family.


Also, this is the last census I have John for; and I don't know of any wife or children which is what I am hoping to find out about.

Now, John Magee ... he did have a nephew named Hugh Augustine Magee, so maybe, Augustine was an unoffical middle name from RC confirmation?

Thank you again and further help is appreciated,

Best wishes,

Peter

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Mar 2012 20:27

This is the 1871 for the family originally queried, but South Wingate is over 20 miles from Stokesley?


MAGEE, Arthur Head M 70 1801 Ireland < Hawker
MAGEE, John Son M 19 1852 County Durham - Hawker, b South Wingate
MAGEE, Francis Head M 24 1847 County Durham
MAGEE, Mary Ann Wife F 19 1852 Cumberland
MAGEE, Arthur Son M 0 1871 County Durham
WELSH, Mary Ann Granddaughter F 7 1864 County Durham
WELSH, Ellen Granddaughter F 5 1866 County Durham

Registration District: Easington
Civil Parish: Hutton Henry

Address: Wingate, South, Hutton Henry County: Durham

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Mar 2012 20:06

Peter, could you confirm the last census you have him on, and his occupation? Details of any wife and children, too. There are loads of John Magees emigrating so need to narrow it down.

Do you have a rough idea as to when this emigration is thought to have taken place?

Is it a different John Magee to the one born 1852 Wingate in your opening post?

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 22 Mar 2012 19:19

Peter...Was he John Augustine...?

Is Stokesley.."Hutton Henry " area..?