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8 Nov 2010 13:23 |
Did Etienne marry 1881 to Johanna Caroline Theodora Saegert born 1855 Strand london or Anna Maria Peabody?
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Mary
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8 Nov 2010 13:18 |
Yes Flick I see it now on death reg,1901 must have his year of birth wrong.
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 12:21 |
Edme Gustave was aged 31 in 1861.....and Etienne is listed as 'son'
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Christine
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8 Nov 2010 12:20 |
Hi Flick and brummiejan
Boy Oh boy have you given me somethng to think about!! I hope I can fathom the relationships out
Thanks a lot
Chris
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Mary
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8 Nov 2010 11:51 |
1891 Kentish town D 39 > 16 Caroline Girardot wife 1852 born St james Annie Rachel Allam step daughter ? Ivy Caroline Girardot 1878. 1901 Kentish town D 19 > 70 Edwin Girardot ? Artist born france 1840 it isn't Edwin when you look at original Caroline girardot 1852 st James Ivy Girardot 23 = 1878.it says Try instead of Ivy!!
Edme Gustave Girardot arrived in London 1851.
I'am thinking that Caroline Isabella Amy married Alfred Allam they had Albert Henry Allam 1871 Annie Rachel 1872/3 and Caroline's husband died and by 1891 she is down as Caroline Girardot.Had daughter Ivy Caroline Girardot 1878.
Relation between Etienne 1856 and Edme 1840 is unknown at the moment.
Maryb
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brummiejan
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8 Nov 2010 11:34 |
Looks like them Flick, nice one. I think Christine will be in for a shock when she sees this lot! Jan
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 11:20 |
Only one marriage on freebmd for Louisa BetZy
Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GILBERT Rebecca Pancras 1b 241 Salmon James Pancras 1b 241 Vieusseu_ Louisa Betzy Pancras 1b 241
The 'other' male has not been transcribed
So......perhaps she was not the mother of Etienne and Angelo
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Louisa's 'other half', I would imagine
GIRARDO_ Edme Gustave Pancras 1b 2[90]1
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brummiejan
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8 Nov 2010 11:13 |
Relating to marriage above:
1911
ALLAM, Alfred Henry Head Married M 40 1871 Journalist London Islington VIEW ALLAM, Beatrice Wife Married 9 years F 28 1883 Lewes Sussex VIEW ALLAM, Edward Walter Son M 8 1903 London St Pancras VIEW GIRARDOT, Caroline Isabel A Mother Widow F 59 1852 London St Jamas VIEW GIRARDOT, Ivy Caroline Half-Sister Single F 33 1878 Clerk London St Pancras VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 2134 Reference: RG14PN2134 RG78PN73 RD25 SD5 ED35 SN27 Registration District: Lambeth Sub District: Norwood Enumeration District: 35 Parish: Lambeth Address: 55 S Croxted Road Dulwich County: London
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 11:07 |
Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GIRARDOT Louisa Betzy 74 Brentford 3a 92
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 11:07 |
Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Girardot Edme G 80 Brentford 3a 84
Is this a son?
Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALLAM Caroline Isabella A Strand 1b 1126 Davy William B[ou]rnard Strand 1b 1126 DAVY William Burnand Strand 1b 1126 GIRARDOT Edme Gustave Strand 1b 1126 KEY Irene Rose Strand 1b 1126
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brummiejan
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8 Nov 2010 11:05 |
I see Hypathia - note the 1891 with grandson Etienne. Jan
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 11:01 |
1901 for Louisa....etc!
Name: Gustave E Girardot Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Grandson Mother's name: Hypathia L Girardot Gender: Male Where born: Fulham, London, England Civil Parish: Ealing Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Ealing County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Brentford Sub-registration district: Brentford ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 148 Household Members: Name Age Louisa B Girardot 67 'Married' Hypathia L Girardot 37 'Single' Gustave E Girardot 18 Hanley A Herbert 1 Grandson Thanks, Jan........but I was riding on your 'wings'
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brummiejan
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8 Nov 2010 10:57 |
Brilliant too Flick - couldn't find this at all! Just shows what a bit of teamwork can achieve ...
Def. Etienne on image.
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 10:53 |
Based on Jan's super detective work.........is this 1861?
Name: Angelo Gerrard Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Son Father's name: Edme Gustone Gerrard Mother's name: Louise B Gerrard Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras, London, England Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: Regent Park St Mark County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Regents Park ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Edme Gustone Gerrard 31 Louise B Gerrard 27 Ellenore Gerrard 4 SON Angelo Gerrard 2 Lucy Binning 31 Muna Chaney 22
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brummiejan
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8 Nov 2010 10:51 |
Christine, as you have access to census reports, I suggest you check out image for the 1871 above. I think relationships are impossible to sort out. Birth cert might be called for!
EDIT Why, thanks Flick. Quite proud of it if I say so myself!
Jan
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 10:50 |
Brilliant find, Jan..............
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 10:49 |
Seems that Charles is unlikely to have been his father..........
Name: Charles Hippolyte E Girardot Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Marylebone (1837-1901) County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 1064 Elizabeth Tarrant
1871
Name: Charles H C Gerardot [Charles H C Girardot] [Charles H C Girardot] Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizth Gerardot Gender: Male Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Regent ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 265 Household Members: Name Age Charles H C Gerardot 34 Elizth Gerardot 25 Chas R Gerardot 2
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brummiejan
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8 Nov 2010 10:47 |
If I'm right, this is his brother:
Births Mar 1859 (>99%) GIRARDOT Angelo Vieusseux Pancras 1b 152
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brummiejan
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8 Nov 2010 10:41 |
I think this is him mis-transcribed. Original says age 14, son, born Marylebone, scholar.:
1871 England Census about Elaine G E Geraidat Name: Elaine G E Geraidat Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1855 Relation: Servant Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Hampstead St John Ecclesiastical parish: South Hampstead St Saviour County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Hampstead Sub-registration district: Hampstead ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 216 Household Members: Name Age Hugo Bergmann 29 Anna Bergmann 22 Ella Bergmann 8 Months Louisa Beer 74 Gustav A Kottgan 76 Emma Wallington 19 Marie Eberlin 19 Elaine G E Geraidat 16 Angelo Geraidat 12 Alfred C Geraidat 8 Mary A Chancy 32 Mary A Gibson 35
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Flick
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8 Nov 2010 10:41 |
POSSIBLE marriages for parents
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Collins Maria Anna Marylebone 1a 666 Girardot James Gustave Marylebone 1a 666 Girardot * Eustaue Marylebone 1a 666 Grandmour Marie Henriette L R Marylebone 1a 666 Grandmour Marie Henriette Lozenza de Rossignol Marylebone 1a 666 Roth Mathias Marylebone 1a 666 _________________________________________________________
Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Devereux Eliza Marylebone 1a 667 Galilee Jessie Marylebone 1a 667 Girardot Charles Hippolyte Edmond Marylebone 1a 667 Rivers George William Marylebone 1a 667
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