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Hi Victoria,
Yes have the above info and I was the one that put the info on the Postem.
I cannot find anything on George Edward after the 1891 Census. Seems to have disappeared ((-:
Would very much like to find him.


Both parents on the marriage certificate are deceased.
George Carpenter was a Carpenter by trade.

Thanks.

Barbara

Minnie,

The marriage of Edward and Ellen was late for whatever reason, but it is definately my family members.
According to the 1911 Census Ellen had 17 children, 5 survived. All boys.
Geo Edward, Albert Martin (my grandfather) Edward, Walter and Thomas.

Thomas Evans occupation?????

really would help to have this to find Edward in Wales

Barbara,

Have you found them in 1881?

Rose

Victoria,

I do not know Thomas Evans Occupation.
All I know about him is that he is Edwards father.
Where he is from, when/where he was born I just do not know.
I realise it makes it difficult with the Evans name.
The only thing I do know is that Edward was a Carpenter, maybe Thomas was also??

Regards
Barbara

Unfortunately the earliest I have any of the family is 1891,

Have not been able to find them in 1881 at all.
As Edward and Ellen's first child, was born in 1882 in Toxteth Park I take it they were in the Lancashire area.
Of course they could have been in Bristol, where Ellen was born.
I am still looking outside of the circle as much as I can trying to piece this together. Not an easy task with the name Evans.

Thanks.

Barbara

I can't find them yet on 1881 but I did manage to find Helena on 1871, just in case you haven't got it:

1871 England Census
about Elener Emily
Name: Elener Emily
[Elener Carpenter] ............. All surnames except bottom 2 are Carpenter !!!!!
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol
Civil parish: St Philip and St Jacob
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Household schedule number: 273
Household Members: Name Age
George Carpenter 42 .......... Carpenter
Margaret Ann Carpenter 42
Esther Emily 17
George M Emily 14
Albert Emily 12
Elener Emily 10
Margaret Emily 7
Martin Emily 4
Alfred Albert Emily 2
Sarah Ann Maryan 20 ......... Sarah Ann MORGAN ..dau. mar.
George Thos Maryan 3 months ...surname also MORGAN... grandson

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2566; Folio: 53; Page: 49; GSU roll: 835268.

I will keep looking.

Dea x

hi

THINK I HAVE HAD A BREAK THROUGH WITH THOMAS EVANS AND EDWARD AS CHILD

Place where all the census take place (to save me keep typing it in) is
Gresford, Denighshire, Wales
Civil parish Gresford
County Denbighshire
County Wales
Registration district WREXHAM

1851 Census
Thomas born 1822 occupation Farmer
wife Ann born 1819 same place
Robert born 1848

1861 Census
Thomas b1820 A Farmer
Jane born 1817 (Different wife)
Robert 1848
Edward 1848
Eliza 1848
seem to be twins

1871 Thomas now a Publican and farmer of 10 acres
Jane

Edward JOINERS APPRENTICE

Eliza
NO ROBERT WITH HIM NOW BUT HE APPEARS WITH HIM AGAIN IN 1881

1881 Census
Thomas now a widow still a publican and farmer
Robert still with him a farmers son

1891
No sign of Thomas but

Robert has married to Hannah (Ann) and he is a pub inn keeper
Sister in law living with them Martha J Moore

ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE BORN AND LIVE IN GRESFORD

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Ann

hi

poss death for Thomas

Thomas born 1822 died 1899 apr may june age 77 Wrexham
county#
cheshirre
denbighshire
flintshire

vol 11b page 193

just in case anyone else can find him on 1891 census as \I cant

Ann

hi

sorry to say think you can forget about that family as found Edward married to Mary A on 1881 census with children Thomas b1879 wrexham and Esther e 10 months
he was a joiner unemployed

and 1891 census living with
head Eliza Roberts single living on her own means
Edward a joiner
Mary A neice in law b syeresham northamptonshire
George b1881 realationship Guardian b wrexham
Annie 1884 grand or great niece

and in 1901 Mary is a wid with George and Annie
George is a carpenter/joiner

sorry about that looked good

Ann

Thank you Dea, yes, I had that info on Helena. The Carpenter family were sooooo easy to locate and have managed to find many living relatives.

Thanks for the time you put into looking up this info.

Regards
Barbara

Ann,
Appreciate the time you have put into looking up this evasive family of mine.
Agree that the first family is probably not them.
However, there are twins in the family and have continued down the line, my grandmother, till the present time with my two lots of cousins having twins.
Edward and Ellen also had twin girls Ellen and Sarah Esther but they died in 1901, within 3 days of each other. Have death certs for them.

I recall my mum telling me as a child that there were miners in the family. I did find on the Carpenter side of the family Miners from Wales, so maybe that was it.
Edward was a Slater/Labourer in the census.

Will look at the info you have provided and see what I think.

Many thanks to all who have been helping, it is very much appreciated.

Regards
Barbara

hi Barbara

have search the census and I dont think I will be able to find out anymore about Edward Evans either he is a mystery

have found some children for Walter Evans and Ellen Ankers who married 1916

Walter b4q 1916 w. Derby Lancs
George 3Q 1918 "
Dorothy 4Q 1919 "
David 1Q 1926 Liverpool
Kenneth 1928 Liverpool

last two are possibles but the surname Evans and maiden name of wife is still Ankers



Ann

hi Barbara

If you can find someone with access to find my past there are 3 Edward Evans in Wrexham and one in 1854 and one in 1853 which would be interesting to look at as different sites find different things on the census. These are on the 1861 census

If any of those have Thomas as the father we could look into this farther and see if we can solve your mystery

Ann

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This is the only one with father Thomas:

EVANS, Thomas Head Married M 41 1820 Farmer Of 16 Acres Brickmaker Employing 11 Men
Ruabon Denbighshire
EVANS, Ann Wife Married F 43 1818 Wife Of Farmer
Llangollen Denbighshire
EVANS, John Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Brick Maker
Llangollen Denbighshire
EVANS, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Dressmaker
Ruabon Denbighshire
EVANS, Edward Son Unmarried M 9 1852 ...
Ruabon Denbighshire
ROBERTS, Jane Servant Unmarried F 16 1845 General Servant
Llansantfraed Merionethshire

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
4282 Folio:
14 Page:
2

Registration District:
Wrexham Sub District:
3 Ruabon Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Rhosymedre

Civil Parish:
Ruabon Municipal Borough:
Address:
Kent Farm, Trefynant, Ruabon County:
Denbighshire

Hope someone can connect - have to go off-line now!


Dea x

thanks dea

I am trying to help Barbara solve this mystery but there are many edward evans around will look into the one you found

Ann

hi

The Edward Dee found stayed in the area and married there so no good. Even if we find out the family to send for the birth certificate would not work as there are lots of Edward Evans in Wrexham about the right tine

Ann

Ann and everyone,
I really appreciate the help you have been giving me.
I know it is a difficult name to research, but, I am told never give up. I have been trying for 7yrs on this one all ready.
mmmmm, maybe I need a visit to Wrexham???
Have been over to UK 2008 and 09 but was not able to make it to Wrexham..........next time.

I will see about trying to see what I can find on FMP even if I have to buy some credits to have a look.

Again,
Thanks to everyone who has helped .

Best wishes.

Barbara