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Ron

No worries...Once you get the cert for William Alfred it might help out some more

TC Julie

Firstly i must apologise to Julie, Jansmith, Jill,and Catherine for the time and effort in replying to my posting, Gillian sent me an email explaining that by not replying on the thread no one could see the full picture (i was clicking on the names) so i am sorry for that, you live and learn !!
As i was out for most of yesterday and working this morning, i have just sat down in front of this screen so Julie, i will check to see if anyone has the names i have mentioned, and jansmith thanks for the 1871, 1891and 1901 census, i did have these so it confirms i am on the right track, i will take your advise and purchase the 1860 d cert for William Alfred although he is named as the father on William Alfred Findleys b cert of 1862, would it be worth getting his brothers(Frederick.C) b cert of 1866 to estabilish the father ?
It does seem strange no record can be found regarding William Alfred and Emma Maria ? marriage, i can't help thinking that being a "traveller" in the 1800s was he a gypsy or a tinker, just a thought !!!
Ron.

Ron has sent me a PM to say that I am right and the father of William Alfred Findley Oliver WAS William Alfred Oliver (shown on the birth cert of the 1862 WAFO but with no occupation) and his mother was Emma Maria
I think it would be worth getting the death cert for 1860 William Alfred Oliver to confirm or rule it out

Catherine
My reading of the initial posting is that the father of Wiliam Alfred Findley Oliver is William Alfred and his mother is Emma Maria
But I will stop searching now until that is confirmed

This may be throwing a spanner in the works but there is a death in Clerkenwell (where Emma Maria is living 1871 and 1881) of a William Alfred Oliver in 1860 Dec Q vol 1b page is difficult to read but looks like 351
So is it possible she had these children after her husband died -they would of course take her name which was Oliver at the time

I dont think the Chelsea marriage can be right as Emma M Rutland is shown in census as b 1838 Chelsea not 1830 Bermondsey

1871 95 St John st Clerkenwell
Emma Maria Oliver 41 Wid dressmaker b Bermondsey
William A 9 b Blackfriars
Frederick C 5 b Blackfriars

1881 95 St JOhn St Clerkenwell
Emma maria Oliver 51 wid Dressmaker b bermondsey
William A 19 Warehouseman b City
Frederick c 15 Printers errand by b City

POSSIBLE MARRIAGE
Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Howes Elizabeth Chelsea 1a 422
Meatyard Oswald George Chelsea 1a 422
Oliver George Joseph Chelsea 1a 422 ******
Rutland Emma Maria Chelsea 1a 422*****

A "traveller" in those days generally meant a travelling salesman. Even I at my fairly young age of 53 remember some chap turning up on the doorstep with a suitcase full of brushes and stuff - that was in South London too.

Jill

1901 CENSUS
Name: Albert Oliver
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William A
Mother's Name: Amy
Gender: Male
Where born: New Cross, London, England
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England


Name: William A Oliver
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Amy
Gender: Male
Where born: London City
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London



Name: Amy Oliver
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: William A
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, London, England
Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England


Household Members:
Name Age
William A Oliver 39 OCCUPATION LOOKS LIKE ?ASPHALTE ROAD LABOURER
Amy Oliver 34
William I Oliver 15
Frederick F Oliver 13
Florence Oliver 12
Alfred Oliver 10
Emily Oliver 6
Albert Oliver 5
Harry Oliver 3
Edward Oliver 1

A free site for looking for bmd indexes, http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
You can then send for certs if you haven't used it this is the official site cost £7 each
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Hi Ron

Welcome to the boards

Have you check on here to see if anyone else has those names in their tree

First time of posting on this site, am hoping for some help finding any info on my Gfathers side, He was Albert George Oliver b 1895 into a large family in Deptford/New cross, London area, i am after any info on his father Willam Alfred Findley Oliver b City of London 1862, He married Eliza Amy Gardner in Chelsea in 1884, I am told by older members of my family that he was killed working on a new department building in Oxford St around the early 1920s but have drawn a blank on this, Also his father William Alfred Oliver is on the Chelsea m cert as being deceased and a "traveller" where did he come from and what was a traveller in those days ? On Williams b cert of 1862 it is blank on the occupation of father, Mother was Emma Maria ? i know she was a Dressmaker and was born in 1830 in Bermondsey, London according to the 1871 census she had another son, Frederick.C, she was also Head of the house at 95, St John Street, London as she was shown as widowed, what happened to him ?
I would very much be grateful of any help and or advise with the above.
Kind Regards
Ron Oliver.