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HI I am looking for info. on Frances Hunt Williams Shields - such distinctive middle names, but no relatives that we know of yet. Fanny was born in Ireland - marriage cert says Ballymena, Antrim, on 16/07/1889. Her mother was Margaret Dougan, and her father Daniel Shields. It is said her father was much older and left Ireland during the potato famine and returned, before starting his family .. or his second family?? Fanny married Thomas Dougan - her first cousin in Bellshill, Lanark, Scotland, on Dec 31, 1919. They later had one son, John, emmigrated to New Zealand and had one daughter Margaret. We know Fanny had at least one sister - any ideas.
Thanks

Here ya go!

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father: Daniel Shields
mother: Margaret
region: British Isles

I didn't specify any more than that -- the list was manageable, as it happened. Read down the list, saw one in Antrim, clicked:


Ellen Shields
Birth: 10 SEP 1878 Ahoghill, Antrim, Ireland
Father: Daniel Shields
Mother: Margaret Duggan Shields
Source Information:
Batch No.: C007458


Looks like!

This looks like your family in the 1881 census.



Name: Ellen Shields
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Registration Number: 491
Registration district: Strathblane
Civil Parish: Strathblane
County: Stirlingshire
Address: N 2 North Row
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 63
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_141

Daniel Dugan 30
Daniel Dugan 5
Elizabeth Dugan 3
John Dugan 1
Margaret Dugan 26
Peter Dugan 5
William J Dugan 6

Daniel Shields 24
Ellen Shields 2
Margaret Shields 23


Name: Daniel Shields
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Occupation: Printfield Labourer

Name: Margaret Shields
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Name: Daniel Dugan (Margaret's brother?)
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

HI, Thanks for the help, it's hard to be this close! I haven;t had any luck in finding Frances Hunt Williams Shields, b1889. sister of Ellen. (parents, Margaret Dugan and Daniel Shields) Frances swore she was born in Antrim, County Down, but we have not been able to confirm this. Her death certificate lists her has being born in Scotland. The family was fluid between County Down and Glasgow area. I have ordered a couple of Irish birth records searches, but they come back empty; I don't know what to do next. Any ideas?

you've been gone a long time!!!!

I know, I know, I sort of gave up, we live in the States, but our daughter just married an Englishman and moved there. If we can find Frances Shields Birth certificate we can apply for Irish Citizenship and be able to visit our daughter and stay for long periods if we would like to. (Frances is my husband's grandmother,) So we would like to solve this riddle for a very practical purpose as well!!)

well hang in there and don't go away this time -

if no one comes up with anything, give this posting a nudge now and then to keep it on the front page

I have Frances Shields parent's marriage
Daniel Shields
Margaret Dugan
29 November 1877
Ahoghill First Presbyterian Church Ballymena, Antrim
PRONI mic1p/64 is the births registered in the church, probably Frances name is among them. What do I do Now?
Thanks

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Margaret Dugan

Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
residence: Ballymena
marriage: 1877 — Ballymena

record title: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
name: Margaret Dugan
registration district: Ballymena
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: 1877
volume number: 16
page number: 147
digital folder number: 4179386

Daniel Shields

Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
residence: Ballymena
marriage: 1877 — Ballymena

record title: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
name: Daniel Shields
registration district: Ballymena
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: 1877
volume number: 16
page number: 147
digital folder number: 4179386

well those two seem to be the record of the marriage!!!

Thanks, that's Frances Shields' parents marriage tied down. I believe Frances was baptised a Presbyterian - probably at First Pres. of Ahoghill c 1890.
I haven't got the vital stats. to verify this, but it would seem in addition to her oldest siser Ellen(see census) she had other sisters Etta c 1885, Eileen, c 1885 and William c 1890. Her middle names have never been explained, and we can't find any connection between Hunt and Williams and anyone up her family tree.

Oh, one more thing, we have a copy of a baptism cert. for her, with no church name on it, or place -what's up with that, but it lists her baptism date as 16 July /1890, which was her first birthday. If this is accurate it could help.

To clarify, the family seems to be Scottish/Irish, moving between the two places fluidly.

nudge

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/shiels/thread/1265622

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/tips_board/thread/1257182

Too many threads on too many boards.

Hi Janey,
With help from the good folks at GR especially Maura, I have found the birth certificate of Fanny Shields! She was three years younger than she said she was. As far as I understand it, that would be the end of this threat - since that is what I was looking for. Now I am trying to find something different, the death time and certificate of her father Daniel. To my way of thinking that would represent a different set of info as I don't know how to find Irish deaths (I'm not Irish) so I started a second thread to find Daniel's death. Was I wrong in doing that? Is that poor protocol? If so, I apologize. Please advise.

No, you were looking for information about *the same person* in the thread on Tips as the person you were looking for information about in this TTF thread 3 years ago.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/content.page/help_clinic

This also appears in the instructions presented when you begin a thread on Trying to Find:

"Please don’t post about the same person *or family* twice as this can make extra work for the volunteer helpers."

I assume you don't forget that *i* found the baptism of older sister Ellen Shields, and the family in 1881, in your first (?) thread three years ago. That was before the sources where Frances' birth and the 1901/1911 censuses have now been found were available.

Information in threads about children is obviously relevant to searches relating to the children's parents. There is no "end" to a thread, if more information is needed about the same person/family.

Okay, I get it. There is no end to the thread!!! :)
And thank you for finding the baptism for Ellen Shields! I am new at this, can you cahnge the thread name to reflect the idea that one question has been answered, but the thread writer wants to go off in another direction, but with the same family?
Thanks for your advice, I'm learning.

You can indeed! You can edit a thread title to say, for instance, "update - passport?" or some such thing, and you can then even edit your first post to add a new introduction saying "please see post dated XX regarding passports" or some such. ;)

And it's always wise to put the place name in the title, especially if a thread is about a place other than England, e.g. "Ireland". Various members have various particular skill sets / knowlege of resources and they're more likely to look at a thread that identifies the region they're best for.

My own famous thread here is about 7 pages long -- all kinds of info found about the various branches of a family starting from my gr-grfather and spreading out to his siblings. I know of several others of similar length where I and others have posted over time, trying to chase down an elusive person or family. (You tend to get a small group of people interested in the particular story, but they tend to be the ones who have the best skills for a particular type of search.)

For your question in your other thread about "general genealogical questions" -- as you can see, there really isn't any such thing, when what you're really looking for is particular information about a particular person. What you're looking for will determine where to look, so the best thing is always to specify that, and also that you do want to know where and how to look, not just for people to do it for you. Most people here do tend to do the searching and often not identify where they have searched (including where they searched unsuccessfully -- the poster might want to go there and try various searches themself).