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13 Feb 2010 23:46 |
You can order parish records from your local LDS Centre.
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12 Feb 2010 06:44 |
Hi Rose tried that but thank you for the hint. I am now thinking maybe Grace is the off spring of one of the sisters out of wedlock. But one would think she still would have been christened. John S.
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11 Feb 2010 22:18 |
John,
Might be worth looking to see if they married in Scotland.
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11 Feb 2010 06:04 |
Hi Sylvia and Rose thank you so much for all of the extra you have sent me. I feel I have exhausted all of the channels I know to find these births and marriage. Any ideas on what I can do after the BMD and the IGI on Family Search. I suppose with regards to the marriage they may not have been married. Once again I do appreciated your help thank you so very much John S.
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10 Feb 2010 19:25 |
John
The 1841 census does not give relationships between people
you have to find them on the 1851 Census to confirm any suspicion about a relationship ..... and I think you will appreciate that that can be difficult with deaths, marriages, re-marriages etc over the interening 10 years.
Also of course, the ages for most people on the 1841 census can be as much as 4 years out.
The enumerators were supposed to round down the ages of everyone over the age of 15 to the closest 5 ........... so people are older than they seem from the record.
Unfortunately, some enumerators did not do as they were told.
However, if ages shown are all multiples of 5, then you can be pretty well assured that most of them have been rounded down.
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10 Feb 2010 09:44 |
Thank you Rose for that additional census info. I have been checking the IGI for the Reavley family and I have found them in the 1800. Richard Reavely married Ann Jeffreys 14/6/1800 at Anwick Northumberland the children were as follows Richard 7/5/1801 born Edlingham Northumberlad John 10/2/1804 born Ainsworth Lancashire Ann 20/1/1806 born Ainsworth Lancashire Thomas 20/8/1809 born Saint Chad Over Cheshire Henry 29/1/1812 born South Shields Durham Mary 28/7/1815 St Hilda South Shields Durham I am now thinking because Grace is not there that she is the daughter of one of the sons. Perhaps Richard. In the 1841 census did it say what relationship she was to the other two ladies? Also found Richard senior was born in Berwick Northumberland. Still not having any luck with the marriage nor the birth of James Smith or Grace. Rose I would like to thank you once again for your continued effort it is very much appreciated. John S.
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9 Feb 2010 20:01 |
Funny you should mention Richard. I found the following yesterday.
If you consider Ann and Mary might actually be a bit older than they say the are, this is on IGI:
Mary Reavely Birth: 28 JUL 1815 St Hilda, South Shields, Durham, England Parents: Father: Richard Reavely Mother: Ann Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C008208
ANN REAVELY Birth: 20 JAN 1806 Christening: 04 MAR 1806 Ainsworth, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: RICHARD REAVELY Mother: ANN
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: P020171
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9 Feb 2010 19:57 |
Mary in 1861:
1861 England Census about Mary Reavley Name: Mary Reavley Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Shields, Durham, England Civil parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 11e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 236 Household Members: Name Age Mary Reavley 42 Rose
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9 Feb 2010 08:32 |
well done Rose so they were not born in Newcastle as I thought. although maybe Grace was. By the way one of Grace's sons had a middle name. His name was Richard Reveley Smith born 1865. I thought maybe this was the name of her father, what are your thoughts? Thank you once again Rose John S.
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9 Feb 2010 02:37 |
Ann and Mary were sisters:
1851 England Census about Ann Reavely Name: Ann Reavely Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Winsford, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Newcastle Upon Tyne All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: St Ann County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: All Saints ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 15 Household Members: Name Age Ann Reavely 40 Mary Reavely 28 Henry A Hurst 28 Rose
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9 Feb 2010 02:31 |
And 1841:
1841 England Census about Grace Reavely Name: Grace Reavely Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Gender: Female Civil parish: All Saints Hundred: Tindale (West Division) County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: All Saints Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Reavely 30 Mary Reavely 20 Grace Reavely 7 Edward Howe 25 Elijah Leeming 20 Willm Gott 20 George Gilvary 20 Rose
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9 Feb 2010 02:24 |
Grace in 1851:
1851 England Census about Grace Reavely Name: Grace Reavely Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: NE, Newcastle Upon Tyne Civil parish: Durham St Nicholas County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham(Street Indexed) Sub-registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 4c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 109 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hunter 36 Agnes A Hunter 37 Thomas Hunter 6 Charles Hunter 5 Edwin Hunter 2 Fredric Hunter 8 Mo Elizabeth Hall 27 Grace Reavely 17 Rose
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8 Feb 2010 09:02 |
hi Sylviain and Rose. Here are the two birth certificates I have. First one for William James born 12/10/1859 born 32 Buckingham Street, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne. Father James Smith mother Grace Smith formerly Reavley. James is a coalminer. The borth was registered 15/11/1859. Registrar was a George Willis. Second certificate For Grace born 1/12/1874. Mother and father the same but mothers maiden name spelling Reeveley. Father still a coalminer, birth registered 2/1/1875. Registrar was John Pattison. The family were living in Hillgate Gateshead. I have Grace Reavley in the 1851 census as a House servant, she was 17yrs. Address 61 Sadler St. St. Nicholas Durham. She was unmarried. Also in the 1841 census living in Gibson St. All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne. Others at the address were Ann Reavley abt 1811, Mary Reavley abt 1821 and Grace Reavley abt 1834. I assume that Ann was the mother as I was told the could have been a difference of plus or minus of 5 yrs in the ages of the 1841 census. Thank you both for given your time to me it is really appreciated. John S.
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8 Feb 2010 09:02 |
hi Sylviain and Rose. Here are the two birth certificates I have. First one for William James born 12/10/1859 born 32 Buckingham Street, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne. Father James Smith mother Grace Smith formerly Reavley. James is a coalminer. The borth was registered 15/11/1859. Registrar was a George Willis. Second certificate For Grace born 1/12/1874. Mother and father the same but mothers maiden name spelling Reeveley. Father still a coalminer, birth registered 2/1/1875. Registrar was John Pattison. The family were living in Hillgate Gateshead. I have Grace Reavley in the 1851 census as a House servant, she was 17yrs. Address 61 Sadler St. St. Nicholas Durham. She was unmarried. Also in the 1841 census living in Gibson St. All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne. Others at the address were Ann Reavley abt 1811, Mary Reavley abt 1821 and Grace Reavley abt 1834. I assume that Ann was the mother as I was told the could have been a difference of plus or minus of 5 yrs in the ages of the 1841 census. Thank you both for given your time to me it is really appreciated. John S.
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7 Feb 2010 05:46 |
Rose
did you find that on findmypast?
ancestry is sayong no Grace Reavely ...... there is a Thomas Reavely age 21 born Newcastle on Tyne, visiting in Kent, and wife with unreadable christian name, age 18
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7 Feb 2010 05:35 |
There's a Grace Reavely on the 1851 census.
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7 Feb 2010 05:34 |
Which of their childrens' birth certs do you have?
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7 Feb 2010 05:31 |
Hi John
I'm trying to find Grace before she married .......... but no luck
I've tried looking for a Grace Reavley married to a Thompson in the 10 years before 1855, no luck
The spelling Reavley seems unusual ........ but I cna't think what else it might be!
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7 Feb 2010 05:29 |
oooooo'er
may be that tree owner has got the wrong marriage???
The only marriage that I can find for a Grace Thompson in September quarter 1855 is to a JOHN Smith
Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%) Elliott Thomas Tynemouth 10b 283 >>>>>>SMITH John Tynemouth 10b 283 >>>>>>Thompson Grace Tynemouth 10b 283 Wood Margaret Tynemouth 10b 283
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7 Feb 2010 05:24 |
Hello Sylviain well how quick are you I did not expect an answer so fast. Well it certainly looks like the same family. I had them living in Hillgate Dunns Building in Gateshead in the 1871 census. Don't know where the Thompson comes in as I have birth certificates with Reavley on them. But thank you very much, if this is correct it is no wonder I have been unable to find them. I am really very thankful John S.
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