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21 Feb 2009 14:39 |
Hi
I am trying to trace the Muff side of my family, my grandad was John Butterfield Muff, born 1926, he had a sister, Annie c 1924, his father was John Albert Muff 1876-1927, his mother was Emma Bradley, I think John Albert Muffs mother was Ann Muff. If anyone could let me know any further information on the Muff family I would be grateful. As a child I was always told that they were related to the people who owned Brown Muff & Co Ltd but that John Albert Muff was the black sheep of the family, if anyone is able to help me I would be so grateful.
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Jane Tyldesley
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 14:48 |
Was he from Bradford?
Alfred is the head of house and single Ann is also single
1891 England Census about John A Muff Name: John A Muff Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bradford Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Bradford Sub registration district: Bradford East End ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred Muff 56 Ann Muff 41 Lucy Muff 21 John A Muff 15
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 14:54 |
His birth cert will give you parents names, as he may not be the son of Ann.
Births Mar 1876 (>99%) Muff John Alfred Bradford, Y. 9b 100
Mary A Muff is head so he is her grandson.
1881 England Census about John A. Muff Name: John A. Muff Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Bowling County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 52 Parsonage Rd Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bradford Sub registration district: Bowling ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Muff 73 Alfred Muff 46 Henry Fearne 32 Mary Fearne 35 Lucy Muff 11 John A. Muff 5 Sarah A. Fearne 3 John M. Fearne 1
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 14:54 |
from ,,freebmd,, annie Births Jun 1924 (>99%) Muff Annie L Devonport Oldham 8d 9v
and john
Births Mar 1926 (>99%) Muff John B Davonport Oldham 8d 1250
but that makes their mothers maiden name
davon/devonport not bradley where did bradley come from?
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 15:01 |
Just realised the John A that I posted is John Alfred.
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 15:06 |
easily done christine,done it myself
i cant see a marriage for davon/devonport and muff but i can see a marriage for john albert muff
Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%) Halkyard Mary Alice Oldham 8d 734 Muff John Albert Oldham 8d 734 Stott John Oldham 8d 734 Wrigley Sarah Oldham 8d 734
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 15:09 |
This one could be connected to the children in Oldham.
1901 England Census about John A Muff Name: John A Muff Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Oldham Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Oldham Sub registration district: Oldham Above Town ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 185 Household Members: Name Age John A Muff 31 occ Butcher Sarah Muff 31 Elizabeth Bentley 18 Christine
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 15:12 |
looks like freebmd is only up to 1921 on marriages for davonport
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 15:16 |
Must have the correct family now, lol as this one's father is called John Butterfield.
1881 England Census about John Albert Muff Name: John Albert Muff Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Butterfield Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Huddersfield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 18 Bradford Road Waggon and Horses Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Huddersfield Sub registration district: Huddersfield ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Butterfield Muff 40 Licensed Victualler Mary Muff 45 Joe Edward Muff 15 John Albert Muff 12 Sarah Anne Muff 10 James Muff 74 father, occ Gentleman
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4385; Folio: 121; Page: 5; Line
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 15:20 |
I wonder if this is the marriage and Emma had been married before.
Marriages Jun 1924 (>99%)
Muff John Needham Oldham 8d 1212 NEEDHAM Emma Muff Oldham 8d 1212
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 15:28 |
was just checking quartes 1921 through 1924
no de/avenport muff marriages
but as you say christine she could have been married before or
he was married and they werent
found two poss john muff marriages one to a needham in 1924 and one to an ingleton earlier but neither have, and or ,surnames for the bride
edit,,one of which i now realise you posted,oh dear i need to go back to class!
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 15:34 |
i would still like to know how, emma bradley, was arrived at for the mother of annie L 1924 and john butterfield muff 1926 when they are down as mothers maiden name Da/evonport on freebmd
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 15:35 |
Just checked on the death of John Albert.
Deaths Mar 1927 (>99%) Muff John A 57 Oldham 8d 1313
So he was the one born 1870.
Need some input now from Jane.The family in Huddersfield can be found on all census years but will wait to see if Jane comes back.
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 15:41 |
It gets even more confusing now as checked on Lancs BMD for the marriage and it shows this.
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1924
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference MUFF * John NEEDHAM Emma Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/175/96 MUFF * John SEAL Emma Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended Oldham RM/175/96
Appears that Emma was either Needham or Seal but not Bradley.
Christine
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 15:43 |
or even if you dont know how to reply on here then a pm would be nice to one of us so we could explain how to get back here for you to help with our findings?
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 15:50 |
thers this marriage but no spouse
Marriages Sep 1921 (93%) Muff John A Ingleson Bradford 9b 271 Noble Lillian Smith Bradford 9b 271 Smith Arthur Noble Bradford 9b 271
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mennetta ingleson and john a muff
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 15:53 |
i think we can discount the ingleson marriage
Births Mar 1923 (>99%) Muff Stella M Ingleson Bradford 9b 196
but there are no muff/needhanm births
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 16:04 |
i think this birth certificate of, john b muff ,should be obtained to clarify who his parents are or even his sister annies Births Mar 1926 (>99%) Muff John B mmn Davonport Oldham 8d 1250
but of course that is only my personal opinion vivienne
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ChristineinPortugal
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21 Feb 2009 16:14 |
I agree Vivienne.
Christine
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FannyByGaslight
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21 Feb 2009 16:15 |
thank you christine
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