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A possibility for William Allen in1881 - right place, right job!

ALLEN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 49 1832 Housekeeper
Calstock Cornwall
ALLEN, William Son Single M 23 1858 Copper Miner
Calstock Cornwall
ALLEN, Jane A Daughter Single F 20 1861 Mine Lab
Calstock Cornwall
ALLEN, Sarah Daughter Single F 18 1863 Mine Lab
Calstock Cornwall
ALLEN, Rosina Daughter Single F 16 1865 General Servant
Calstock Cornwall
ALLEN, James Son Single M 14 1867 Mine Lab
Calstock Cornwall
ALLEN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Calstock Cornwall

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
2216 Folio:
77 Page:
26

Registration District:
Tavistock Sub District:
Calstock Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Calstock (Cornwall) Municipal Borough:
Address:
Latchley Plain, Calstock (Cornwall) County:
Devonshire

Thank you Katie,

I certainly believe that she is the correct one, given your 1891 census.

As Mike says though, only the certs will prove it.

Dea x

That looks good Dea.
As William was a miner, a 24 hour industry, he could have been left off the census as he was at work didn't spend the night at home.

Best way to settle it would be to see who the mother is on the birth certificate.

Elizabeth on 1871:

1871 England Census
about Elizabeth Ann Cole Name: Elizabeth Ann Cole
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Richard Cole
Mother's name: Mary Cole
Gender: Female
Where born: Marystow, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Tavistock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Tavistock
Sub-registration district: Tavistock
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Cole 36 Millers Servant
Mary Cole 38
William Henry Cole 12
Elizabeth Ann Cole 9
Polly Jessie Cole 7
Stephen Adolphus Cole 6
Laura Ellen Cole 3
Daniel John Cole 1

at Newton Old Mills.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2146; Folio: 97; Page: 30; GSU roll: 832036.

Dea x

Looking at Katie's 1891 - what about this for a possible marriage??

Marriages Jun 1890

**Allen William James E. Stonehouse 5b 593
**Cole Elizabeth Ann E. Stonehouse 5b 593
SYMONS George East Stonehouse 5b 593
Williams Betsey E. Stonehouse 5b 593

Dea x

you guys are AMAZING, theres gotta be a story in here somwhere about dear old Marion!, lets hope it will slowly come to light, thankyou guys sooo much!!,
Any other info you happen to come across would be greatly accepted!

Si

The birth for Miriam Teresa Allen is still the only entry for a Teresa (or similar) born in first 2 quarters of 1891 in Cornwall.
So it still looks to be the same child.

..........and Elizabeth's age is consistant with the entry for the unmarried Elizabeth found in 1881 with father William.

Maybe Elizabeth put down she was married when she wasn't. (note there is no husband)

The missing bride in 1889 is not Elizabeth.
There were 9 Elizabeths married that quarter in Tavistock and all are accounted for.

Good spot for 1891 Katie

So that rules out my earlier posting for Elizabeth Allen in 1891

Could this be mother and daughter in 1891 ( at last )

COLE, Richard Head Married M 58 1833 Farmer
Lydford
Devonshire
COLE, Mary Wife Married F 57 1834
Lydford
Devonshire
COLE, Emily Daughter Single F 18 1873
Tavistock
Devonshire
ALLEN, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 29 1862
Marystow
Devonshire
ALLEN, Tresia Daughter Single F 0 (1M) 1891
Calstock
Cornwall


RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1748 Folio:
85 Page:
21

Registration District:
Tavistock Sub District:
Calstock Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Calstock

Civil Parish:
Calstock Municipal Borough:
Address:
St Anns Chapel, Albaston, Calstock, St Anns Chapel County:
Devonshire

This could be marriage no1, unfortunately one of the brides ( ?Elizabeth ) is missing

Marriages Sep 1889
Allen William Tavistock 5b 687
Fuge Emma Tavistock 5b 687
Northey George Tavistock 5b 687
Tall Norah Mary A J Tavistock 5b 687
Willcocks William Henry Tavistock 5b 687

Looks like Allen was Elizabeth Ann's maiden name.

Household:1881

William ALLEN Head M Male 63 Plymouth, Devon, England Basket Maker
Sarah ALLEN Wife M Female 63 Plymouth, Devon, England Dress Maker
Elizabeth Ann ALLEN Daur U Female 19 Plymouth, Devon, England Dress Maker
Laura Annetta ALLEN Daur U Female 17 Plymouth, Devon, England

Dwelling 1 James Place
Census Place Plymouth Charles The Martyr, Devon, England

The baptism is transcribed as Marion Teresa and lists her father as William so there have been a previous marriage.

from http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org

Katie

Let me run this past you.

Just a theory.....


Marriages Mar 1900 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>>>>>>>>Allen Elizabeth Ann Devonport 5b 503
Candy Bessie Amelia Devonport 5b 503
Honey Alfred John H Devonport 5b 503
>>>>>>>>>>>Moyse Henry Buzzo Devonport 5b 503

Married after Marian Teresa was born.


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Household:1881

George FURSE Head M Male 50 Bude, Cornwall, England Shoemaker
Maria FURSE Wife M Female 41 Camborne, Cornwall, England Wife
Emily MITCHELL Cousin U Female 27 Camborne, Cornwall, England
John LUXMORE Boarder U Male 20 Tavistock, Devon, England Mason
John POMEROY Boarder U Male 24 North Hill, Cornwall, England Blacksmith
Joseph GORSE Boarder U Male 23 Grampound, Cornwall, England Ships Stoker Seaman
Richd. GRANVILLE Boarder U Male 20 Grampound, Cornwall, England Railway Porter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harry MOYSE Boarder U Male 21 North Hill, Cornwall, England Blacksmith

:
Dwelling 46 Marlboro St
Census Place Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

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If Marian was Elizabeth's child before she wed she would be registered as Allen.

Maybe not Marian, but Miriam ??????????


Births Jun 1891
Allen Miriam Tresa - Tavistock 5b 365
**********************************************


EDIT :
Looks like I type too slowly.
We all seem to have had the same idea.

It looks like Elizabeth had several marriages...

Marriages Mar 1900
Allen Elizabeth Ann Devonport 5b 503
Moyse Henry Buzzo Devonport 5b 503

???
Marriages Mar 1900
xxx Allen Elizabeth Ann Devonport 5b 503
Candy Bessie Amelia Devonport 5b 503
Honey Alfred John H Devonport 5b 503
xxx Moyse Henry Buzzo Devonport 5b 503

BUZZO ?

Snap, Buzzo deserves investigating

thanks GB
worth a look im sure!!,, where can i find this info??

cheers
Si

There is this baptism in Calstock which is interesting...

Parish: Calstock
Date: 15-May 1891
Name: Marion Theresa ALLEN
Sex: dau
Father: William
Mother: Elizabeth
Residence: S Annes Chapel
Father's rank/profession: miner
Register notes: All Saints Harrowbarrow, born 11? Mar 1891

Clutching at straws now

Births Jun 1891
Allen Miriam Tresa Tavistock 5b 365

1891??
Name: Elizabeth Allen
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Tavistock, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke Damerel
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Stoke Damerel
ED, institution, or vessel: 6




Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Allen Elizabeth Ann Devonport 5b 503
Candy Bessie Amelia Devonport 5b 503
Honey Alfred John H Devonport 5b 503
Moyse Henry Buzzo Devonport 5b 503



Probably totally wrong but nothing else to suggest at the moment but does not match with name of father on marriage cert !!