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hi chris ive looked at incoming and i cant see him as far as im aware jane is hymans 2nd wife so not the mother of abraham
thanks for help guys

Jonesey Report as Abuse 2nd Mar 2011
A copy of Abraham's birth certificate will provide the answer you seek:

Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
LUTZES Abraham Whitechapel 1c 295


Evie the above reply was posted at the beginning of page 1, under your request, did you see it?...


As has been stated it will give you the mothers maiden name. You need really to order this...


The Records you want for Hyman coming to England, would be the following...England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869 on Ancestry, but they are not complete.

Chris :)

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

(or the following Records above on Ancestry)

EVEIE Report as Abuse Edit Delete 4th Mar 2011
can anybody find a hyman levy lutzes born 1861 russia
on board ship travelling to england may have wife with him
i have him married to a jane but im told thats his 2nd wife
any help id be gratefull for thanks for any help
eveie


MarieCeleste Report as Abuse 4th Mar 2011
Eveie - and when might this transition have taken place? (Roughly)

EVEIE Report as Abuse Edit Delete 4th Mar 2011
b4 1896

jax Report as Abuse 4th Mar 2011
Is this anything to do with him from yesterday?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/1260633

EVEIE Report as Abuse Edit Delete 4th Mar 2011
I DONE FEW LUTZES DID HAVE HYMAN BUT I NEVER ASKED WHEN HE CAME TO ENGLAND I CANT ASK HIS GREAT GRANDAUGHTER AS SHES IN SPAIN

jax Report as Abuse 4th Mar 2011
Maybe you hav'nt asked that but you should just add this to that thread


And please do not type in capitals it is offensive

jax

Flick Report as Abuse Yesterday
There are telephones in Spain - and a postal service!

MarieCeleste Report as Abuse Yesterday
... and email, and Facebook, and Skype and .........

EVEIE Report as Abuse Edit Delete Yesterday
cant email she on way back to england . for visit she lives in spain


Flick Report as Abuse Yesterday
Well, contact her when you can................it's not rocket science

EVEIE Report as Abuse Edit Delete Yesterday
she had joined this site so i have her tree but she has nothing except names hyman levy lutzes she says one side of family is russian other side is polish so we are both stumped

EVEIE Report as Abuse Edit Delete Yesterday
as for foning spain i aint foneing there for anybody

RamblingRose Report as Abuse Yesterday
Erm it IS best to stick to one thread Eveie it just saves time for you as well as searchers
, but just to let you know I did look for immigration at the same time as I looked for the census details I posted, ( most searchers look for all possibilities lol) and could not see him .

jax Report as Abuse Yesterday
No one asked you to contact her Eveie...you were the one to mention it.

All that was asked was that you kept to the one thread to save people duplicating info already found on this man

jax

RamblingRose Report as Abuse Yesterday
Have nudged other thread up on TTF

EVEIE Report as Abuse Edit Delete Ten Hours Ago
that s not wat flick said

she said theres fones in spain



gavin Report as Abuse Ten Hours Ago
i think peeps have had a go at eveie for nothing, im sure she would of already tried to look up herself and is struggling otherwise she wouldnt come to the boards asking for help, isnt this what the boards are for ? after all this is the "Records office " section , unless of course we are only here to check on the weather updates, not being funny guys and girls why cant we just help a little !

jax Report as Abuse Ten Hours Ago
Gavin

Eveie is not new to the boards and all that was asked from the start by me...is "is this anything to do with him, from yesterday"

All Eveie needed to do is say " Oh sorry I will add it to that thread then"

So Gavin yes people have been trying to help her because all the info is on the other thread rather than have it duplicated again on this one

As for Records Office...If you read the notes in the Help clinic above this is what it is for...

Records office – are you having problems finding your family in a census? Come and see if anyone is offering look-ups at their local archives in an area that interests you.


jax

RamblingRose Report as Abuse Nine Hours Ago
Gavin, before suggesting that Eveie is not getting help do look at the other thread. I was one of those helping on it so I know that what was there to be found ( ie on Ancestry) WAS found.

Birth certs for children born here will give mother's maiden name and clear up whether there was a 'sarah' before Jane...or whether it is actually the same person.

RamblingRose Report as Abuse Nine Hours Ago
Births Jun 1889 (>99%)


Lutzes Leah St Geo East 1c 363

for mother's maiden name

Add your reply:

This cert will give mother's maiden name

Births Jun 1889 (>99%)

Lutzes Leah St Geo East 1c 363

I couldn't find immigration record but someone else might look please as my Ancestry a/c is now expired.

nudge for todays query

Possible 2nd or 3rd or late marriage

Hyman L Lusky ??
Year of Registration: 1914
[1914]
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Sarah Goldstein
District: Willesden
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 642

likely marriages for Samuel, Joseph and Annie

In 1901 all children except Samuel were born in London, all Whitechapel except Sarah who was born St Georges in the East. Samuel born Russian.

Abraham's Pension record shows he was awarded the Military Medal and must have lied about his age as he joined in 1915, giving his age as 20.

Nope no death for a Sarah Lutzer/Lutzes...so maybe Sarah and Jane are same lady.

Mistranscribed for Levy in 1891...looks possible Jane is second marriage?

This record has been added to your shoebox.
1891 England Census
about Leah Lutzer Name: Leah Lutzer
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Lucy Lutzer
Mother's Name: Sarah Lutzer
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Holy Trinity Minories
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Minories
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lucy Lutzer 30 LEVY Cigarette maker
Sarah Lutzer 29
Samuel Lutzer 9
Joseph Lutzer 7
Annie Lutzer 6
Batch Lutzer 4
Leah Lutzer 2

wow great guns maggie will be pleased with the work done

The address given for Abraham in the pension record is 59 Rothschilds Buildings, Commercial St, London E1. There is a Mr Lutzes living there in 1911

Etta Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1830 — Russia
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Etta Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 71
relationship to head of household: Mother
birthplace: Russia
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex

this is that one, mistranscribed on Ancestry

about Alexander Lutzer Name: Alexander Lutzer
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Lewis Lutzer
Mother's Name: Jane Lutzer
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Lewis Lutzer 40
Jane Lutzer 40
Samuel Lutzer 18
Joseph Lutzer 16
Annie Lutzer 15
Leah Lutzer 11
Rachel Lutzer 5
Alexander Lutzer 3
Lolta Lutzer 71

1911

LUTZES, Hyman Levy Head Married
12 years M 50 1861 Cigarette Maker Russia Resident
LUTZES, Jane Wife Married
12 years F 33 1878 Russia Resident VIEW
LUTZES, Rachel Daughter Single F 15 1896 None London Spitalfields
LUTZES, Abraham Son M 13 1898 School London Spitalfields
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1458 Reference:
RG14PN1458 RG78PN51 RD18 SD1 ED6 SN57

Registration District:
Whitechapel Sub District:
Spitalfields Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Spitalfields

Address:
Charlotte de Rothschild Dwellings Thrawl Street Spitalfields E

Chris :)

(image says children born to present marriage, None)

Lewis Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1861 — Russia
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England



Jane Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1861 — Russia
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Jane Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 40
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Russia
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex


Samuel Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1883 — Russia
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Samuel Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 18
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Russia
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex


Joseph Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1885 — Whitechapel, London
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Joseph Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 16
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Whitechapel, London
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex


Annie Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1886 — Whitechapel, London
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Annie Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 15
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Whitechapel, London
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex


Leah Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1890 — St Georges In The East, London
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Leah Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 11
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: St Georges In The East, London
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex


Rachel Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1896 — Whitechapel, London
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Rachel Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 5
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Whitechapel, London
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex

Jane Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1861 — Russia
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Jane Lutzer
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 40
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Russia
record type: Household
registration district: Whitechapel
sub-district: Spitalfields
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Spitalfields
county: Whitechapel, Spitalfields, Spitalfields, London, Middlesex

Abraham Lutzer

England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1898 — Whitechapel, London
residence: Spitalfields, London, Middlesex, England

ah right tree on Ancestry has Rachel and Abraham, and i see 'Jane' as mother...but I'm thinking a name change? Jane isn't very Russian.