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I have little info of this family - due to a religous family split -

Thomas Welsby : born 1907 married Catherine Whelan(known as Kitty) - my grandparents - they had 3 children : my dad, my uncle and Teresa (died at birth) - Kitty also died in child birth with her daughter. - so my dad & uncle were raised by Kitty's mother.
Thomas had 2 brothers(that I know of) - Joseph & Harry, any other siblings I don't know of.

Any help would be good - thankyou

where did all this happen?

Name: Thomas Welsby
Spouse Surname: Whelan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1929
Registration district: Warrington
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 376
Find Spouse: Find Spouse


Have you done any research yourself?

1911 census for example? It is free to search, and should tell you more about the family

soz, forgot to put it was in Warrington Lancashire, I have done some looking into the BMD records and also asking some family but due to the Welsby - Whelan rift and the fact my dad can't remember anyone from the Welsby side (apart from his dad) as he was too young when he was taken on by his grandmother.

I have been told that even in the Warrington area Welsby is not that common a name.

Freewheel - that must be my grandparents wedding - my dad was born jan 1931.
It would be nice if I could find out about my great grandperent and any great uncles and ants I might of had

1911
thomas 1873 soap labourer
Dorothy Ann 1873 married13 years nee Blanchard died 1913
Agnes 1899
Harriett 1903
Thomas 1905
Ada 1910
27,Lloyd St Warrington.

Are these the ones?

This couple in 1901 census had william H age 10 months.

Maryb
Thomas 1873 born Lymm Cheshire to Henry and Martha
Dorothy Ann Blanchard 1873 to William 1840-1886 and Julia born wales 1843 died warrington 1902.

Oh!! How about this??

1911 census transcription details for: 18 Aigburth View Lark Lane Liverpool

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN22293 RG78PN1317 RD454 SD4 ED15 SN259


Reg. District: Toxteth Park Sub District: Toxteth Park East
Parish: Toxteth Park Enum. District: 15
Address: 18 Aigburth View Lark Lane Liverpool
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
TOWERS, Catherine Head Married
31 years F 48 1863 Charwoman Halewood Lancashire
TOWERS, Nellie Daughter Single F 25 1886 General Servant Domestic Garston Lancashire
WELSBY, Thomas Grandson M 7 1904 Warrington Lancashire


1911 census transcription details for: 40 Elizabeth St Warrington

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN23163 RG78PN1353 RD459 SD4 ED33 SN279


Reg. District: Warrington Sub District: Warrington
Parish: Warrington Enum. District: 33
Address: 40 Elizabeth St Warrington
County: Lancashire

WELSBY, Thomas Head Married M 33 1878 Tool Maker Sankey Lancashire
WELSBY, Alice Wife Married
9 years F 30 1881 Garston Lancashire
WELSBY, James Son M 8 1903 School Latchford Warrington
WELSBY, Henry Son M 5 1906 School Latchford Warrington
WELSBY, Joseph Son M 1 1910 Bank Quay Warrington
Says they've had 5 children,4 still living.

Marriages Mar 1902
Towers Alice Toxteth Park 8b 281
Welsby Thomas Toxteth Park 8b 281


Maureen

To find out accurately about your great grandparents, you nee to obtain the marriage cert whose details I posted

You will learn from that the ages of the couple, plus the names and occupations of each of their fathers.

So that could be the joseph and harry(Henry) brothers to Thomas mentioned by Margaret.

Maryb
thomas 1878 great sankey lancs to Jonathan 1855 -1934 born Cronton lancs died Warrington married to Mary Ann leyland 1856-1929.
Parents of Jonathan are William 1822-1857 and Sarah Hurst 1824-1864

found something a little confusing - on the 1911 census there is a Thomas Welsby aged 4 (which is the right age as he was born in 1907) but it's not Warrington - it's in Durham
all this time I was looking in Warrington.....

1881 - not much help but found this one

Robert J. BIRCHALL Head M Male 51 Bold, Lancashire, England Farmer 75 Acres Employing 3 Lab 2 Boys
Sarah BIRCHALL Wife M Female 42 Rainford, Lancashire, England
William E.S. BIRCHALL Nephew U Male 22 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Farm Lab
Ellen HOUGHTON Serv U Female 20 Windle, Lancashire, England Dom Serv
Henry ASHCROFT Serv U Male 40 Rainford, Lancashire, England Farm Serv
William WELSBY Serv Male 15 Warrington, Lancashire, England Farm Serv
Catharine MAUDSLEY Niece Female 14 Southport, Lancashire, England Visitor


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Source Information:
Dwelling Hill Top Farm
Census Place Rainford, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341895
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3741 / 24
Page Number 3

William Welsby Compact Disc #104 Pin #900 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: abt 1804

of, , Lancashire, England

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Mary Moss Disc #104 Pin #31
Marriage: abt 1821
of Warrington, Lancaster, England

William Welsby Compact Disc #146 Pin #1892578 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: 1839

Sankey,Warrington
Death:

Warrington

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Parents
Father: Richard Welsby Disc #146 Pin #1892574
Mother: Mary Appleton Disc #146 Pin #1892575

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Jane Unsworth Disc #146 Pin #1894938
Marriage: 1884
St Elphins, Warrington


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Submitter
Sidney BARBER
9 Buckfast close Penketh Warrington,WA5 2NS Cheshire

Elizabeth Welsby Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: About 1790 Of, Warrington, Lancashire, England

GEORGE WELSBEY Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: BETTY HOLCROFT Family
Marriage: 07 FEB 1826 Warrington, Lancashire, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

1881
Joseph WELSBY Head M Male 27 Warrington, Lancashire, England Brickyard Laborer (Maker)
Susannah WELSBY Wife M Female 29 Warrington, Lancashire, England
Jane WELSBY Daug Female 8 Warrington, Lancashire, England Scholar
Margaret WELSBY Daug Female 4 Warrington, Lancashire, England Scholar
Kate WELSBY Daug Female 2 Warrington, Lancashire, England
Thomas OLDHAM Father In Law M Male 58 Warrington, Lancashire, England Corporation Laborer Road
Kate OLDHAM Mother In Law M Female 60 Warrington, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 83 Winwick Street
Census Place Warrington, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341908
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3797 / 96
Page Number 20

Joseph Welsby Compact Disc #146 Pin #1893078 Pedigree
Sex: M

Event(s)
Birth: 1897

Warrington
Death: 1966

Marriage(s)
Spouse: Ethel Horton Disc #146 Pin #1893048
Marriage:

1881
Josh. WELSBY Head M Male 30 Warrn, Lancashire, England
Ann WELSBY Wife M Female 28 Warrn, Lancashire, England Glass Cutter Manuf
Margt. WELSBY Daur Female 10 Warrn, Lancashire, England
Martha Ann WELSBY Daur Female 8 Warrn, Lancashire, England Scholar
Jane WELSBY Daur Female 3 Warrn, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice WELSBY Daur Female 1 Warrn, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 10 Factory Yd
Census Place Warrington, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341906
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3791 / 77
Page Number 14

1881

William HOUGHTON Head M Male 41 Warrington, Lancashire, England Lab In Iron Works
Mary A. HOUGHTON Wife M Female 36 Warrington, Lancashire, England
Ann WELLSBY Niece Female 11 Warrington, Lancashire, England Scholar
James THOMSON Boarder U Male 41 Scotland Engine Fitter


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Source Information:
Dwelling 32 Chilwode St
Census Place Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341848
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3541 / 73
Page Number 46

1881

John WELSBY Head M Male 28 Warrington, Lancashire, England Fustian Cutter
Annie WELSBY Wife M Female 23 Warrington, Lancashire, England Fustian Cutter
James WELSBY Son Male 3 Warrington, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen WELSBY Daug Female 1 Sale, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Leading Into 2 Silver Sqaure
Census Place Warrington, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341908
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3797 / 92
Page Number 11

1881
Henry WELSBY Head M Male 26 Warrington Bricklayer
Ann WELSBY Wife M Female 23 Warrington
Mary WELSBY Daur U Female 5 Warrington
Kate WELSBY Daur U Female 3 Warrington
Eliza WELSBY Daur U Female 1 Warrington
William T. LAYETT Boarder U Male 14 Warrington General Labourer


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Source Information:
Dwelling 46 Tilley St
Census Place Warrington, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341908
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3797 / 33
Page Number 5