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Found this 1911 Census...Harry living with the chapmans

HAPMAN, ALICE WIFE MARRIED F 49 ESSEX ALTHORNE
CHAPMAN, ALICE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 22 JEWELLER'S CLER ESSEX BURNHAM ON CROUCH
CHAPMAN, FLORENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 20 JEWELLER'S CLER SUSSEX RYE
CHAPMAN, ANNIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 19 DOMESTIC NURSE SUSSEX RYE
CHAPMAN, FRANK SON SINGLE M 17 HOUSE PAINTER APPRENTICE SUSSEX RYE
CHAPMAN, SIDNEY SON SINGLE M 15 APPRENTICE GROCER SUSSEX RYE
CHAPMAN, OLIVE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 11 SCHOOL SCHOLAR SUSSEX RYE
WOODLEY, HARRY NEPHEW SINGLE M 15 APPRENTICE PRINTER MIDDLESEX SUNBURY
WOODLEY, HAROLD NEPHEW M 11 SCHOOL SCHOLAR MIDDLESEX SUNBURY

Could the Harold aged 11.....be Walter Harold and like his dad (again) was known by his middle name??

is this mum??? was she known as annie at all???

Annie juniors birth is sunbury

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born: Report error View Original Page
WOODLEY, ANNIE HEAD MARRIED F 37 MONTHLY NURSE KENSINGTON
WOODLEY, ANNIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 16 SUNBURY ON THAMES
A household occupies a single original household page.

In cases where a household was too large for one page an institution schedule was filled in instead.

Institutions, vessels and military buildings may span more than one original page.

WOODLEY ANNIE (RG14PN9535 RG78PN509 RD188 SD5 ED16 SN395)
Address 60 CALEDON ROAD EAST HAM LONDON E County Essex
District West Ham Subdistrict South East Ham
Enumeration District 16 Parish East Ham

found them in 1901 census

901 England Census about Elizth A Woodley
Name: Elizth A Woodley
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Hy G Woodley
Mother's name: Elizth A Woodley
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunbury, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Sunbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Sunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Hy G Woodley 29
Elizth A Woodley 26
George J Woodley 7
Elizth A Woodley 6
Hy G Woodley 5





No Walter!!! hmmmmmm

Found him: He was in hospital

1901 England Census about Walter Woodley
Name: Walter Woodley
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation: Patient
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunbury, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Southwark St Saviour
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Saviour, Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: Guys Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page

The divorce:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

In the quick search box in the upper right, put

henry george woodley divorce

Divorce Court File: 5807.
Appellant: Henry George Woodley.
Respondent: Elizabeth Annie Woodley.
Co-respondent: Charles Becker otherwise Charles Henry Becker.
Type: Husband's petition for divorce [HD].
Date: 1914
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives

On the question about the ship being sunk -- yes indeed, "troop ships" were sunk, so you're right, he wasn't necessarily in the navy.

There is a Cpl Walter Woodley whose records are at Ancestry. I'm going through the images ... do the addresses 5 Umberstone St Commercial Rd E and 48 Grange Rd Bermondsey mean anything? They were his wife's addresses during the war. This WW was discharged as no longer physically fit for war duty.

Nope, rule that one out too (I'll leave this post to note that he's been ruled out). He married Rose Lewis 1914 and had daughter Rose Daisy 1918.

There is a WWI medal card at Ancestry for a Walter H Woodley, private, regtl no. 202835, in the Hampshire Regiment. He was awarded the standard Victory and British medals. There is no other info there that would indicate whether he is your Walter or not. There are medal cards for other Walter Woodleys, again, no indication of their identity.

Four possible Henry medal cards:

Henry George Woodley (sergeant, enlisted 15 May 1916)) Royal Engineers, IW & D WR329439
Henry G Woodley (corporal) Royal Berkshire Regiment 30853
Henry G Woodley Army Cyclist Corps 127 (no - killedin action 1916)
Henry G Woodley (private) Royal Army Medical Corps 72362

and of course multiple Henry Woodleys.

Have found some online blogs about springfield house...and they have photographs of the hospital

http://www.urbexforums.co.uk/showthread.php/6890-Springfield-Hospital-Wandsworth-Tooting-Early-2009

http://www.urbexforums.co.uk/showthread.php/6177-Springfield-Hospital-Tooting-Dec-09

Here's the information on the divorce on the National Archives Catalogue.

J 77/1178/5807 More information Divorce Court File: 5807. Appellant: Henry George Woodley. Respondent: Elizabeth Annie Woodley. Co-respondent: Charles Becker otherwise Charles Henry Becker. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [HD]. 1914

You can request a copy of the documents from them by entering the J reference above into the "type reference here" box on their website, then when the record comes up on the screen, click on "request this"

Also, London Metropolitan Archives hold copies of patients records for the hospital but you have to pay them for copies - you're not allowed to copy them yourself.

tsk, annielaurie. I done that yesterday - the divorce - about five posts up. ;)

(I'd helped out on another of Bernice's threads and just looked in here to see whether there were any bits and pieces I might go after, Delboy1978 having already done yeoperson's work on it by then!)

You're supposed to have useful advice about the WWI records, you are! Whaddaya think? -- neither Henry George Woodley nor Walter Harold Woodley's records can be found. Any thoughts about whether any of the medal cards are likely? (Identifying the right ones would at least give a service number, I was thinking.)

Are pension records more complete than service records? With Walter having had disabilities apparently resulting from the war, I'd have thought there might be such records for him.

The LMA hospital records sound like a very good idea. They might contain info about his military background?

Didn't notice your post about the divorce Janey, but then you didn't explain how to get copies............ !!

Have checked all the naval records for WW1 on documentsonline but there's nothing for Walter .

If he was in the Army and was discharged due to illness or disability then he should have a Silver War Badge entitlement, so if any of the cards have SWB then they could be him. The SWB Medal Roll (not online - viewable at National Archives) would give dates of service.

There are a very small number of Medical Files at TNA for WW1. There's one for a W Woodley, disability Duodenal Ulcer. That's the only info given in the index - the file would have to be looked at to see if it was for the right man or not.

Not all WW1 files n records are around because of the records office fire which is very annoying.


Enjoyed researching this one: seems like an interesting back ground with the family being dispersed like it has been.

I hope this has answered some of the questions Bernice has been looking for.....

if only she looks and comments.....:)

I found a Walter Woodley with an SWB.

It says

SWB list TP/3006

Also has entries beside Victory (roll, page) and British (dittos).

24th Lond R, Private, Regtl. No. 5602
then under that
24th ditto, [no rank shown], Regtl. No. 722500

as transcribed by Ancestry:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=walter&gsln=woodley&sx=&f16=&f14=&gskw=&prox=1&db=medalrolls&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=39&fh=6&h=1567277&recoff=9+10

Name: Walter Woodley
Regiment or Corps: 24th London Regiment, 24th London Regiment
Regimental Number: 5602, 722500


But after all that, no -- 5602 was the Walter Woodley of 5 Umberston St Stepney married to Rose, and per the 1914 marriage he was Walter T.

Is he the only one then with a SWB? But then do we even know for sure that he was discharged through illness/disability?

Wow what a lot of info. Iam pretty sure the first ref to Henry George- sergeant in the engineers is correct. Yes, Walter was known as Harry, and his brother who I thought was Harold now seems to be Henry George, and sister was known as Annie-Very confusing !
Even the story of the divorce seems correct The correspondent Becker ( Boris ?) could possibly be German . I think they had a daughter Gladys who emigrated with her to Canada after the divorce, where they seemed to stay with b i l George and his wife Ethel who had no children .

I had found Walters hospital record and was a little puzzled as I think it may have a tick against imbecile ? but it was normal hospital- not sure about this.By coincidence his oldest daughter contactedme today , with info that Walter may have been a CPO in the Merchant navy- at this age he was almost certainly unmarried.His wife Dorothy(m 1924 ) was remarkable as she was a lady engineer making bombs, during this war,lost her job to the men after the war- had a suffragette as an aunt- but thats an aside.If Walter died in 1938 is there a 100 yr or relationrule do you think?

The corespondent was Charles Henry Becker, but might just as well have been Karl Heinrich Becker using an English name. ;) The divorce details are from an official record and are definitely correct.

You keep leaking little bits of information ...

Who had a daughter Gladys? Elizabeth Woodley and Becker? Gladys what? Mother would have been Elizabeth Annie Afford, and I don't see a Gladys with an Afford mother from 1911.

If Walter was in the merchant navy, I don't think his records would be with the military records sets -- annielaurie?

Walter died in 1938 ... you're asking about his hospital records? I don't know about access cutoffs I'm afraid -- annielaurie? ;) His next of kin / direct descendants could access, in any event, I'd think.

Dorothy lost her job to the men after the war -- yup, all those lives, all that talent, squelched. My mum was a little younger; she lost her govt job in Canada in 1952 when she married. Same deal.


annielaurie -- yes, that was the only Walter with an SWB -- and he was the one whose records I'd looked at earler who was discharged as medically unfit for duty, 1916 I think it was, who was married to Rose -- same regimental number etc., and too old (by date of marriage) to be our Walter.

Sorry, Yes, I think that Elizabeth and becker had a daughter togehter.It could have been the cause of the divorce, I guess which was 1914-5. I am told that Henry managed to get him deported, I don't know if Gladys( no surname known) was born in the Uk or Canada.