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Superb Poodles! Isn't it just great when the loose ends get tied up?

Glad to hear the good news Colleen !

As Christine says, come back on here if you need any further help!

Dea Xxx

Hi Poodles
That's great news.

Just a tip, because you might struggle to find Mary Ann Spizer birth.
If the marriage cert gives her father as Thomas an Agricultural labourer (or similar), I think you will find that her birth was mistranscribed under Sarah Ann Spicer. Her parents and siblings are easily found under Spizer though, it's just Sarah Ann that isn't. They are also mistranscribed under Spicer in the 1871 census.
I won't spoil your fun by posting everything I found, and you need the marriage cert anyway to check that I am on the right track.
However, I will post the 1891 census as it gives what I believe is her true birth place. Which is Woolsthorpe Lincolnshire and not Calverton Notts as on the 1901.
Woolsthorpe, which she and her probable father and siblings give as birth place and Spittlegate, which her probable mother gives all come under Grantham Lincolnshire.

1891
Name: Mary Ann Wright
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Wright
Gender: Female
Where born: Woolsthorpe, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Arnold
Ecclesiastical parish: Calverton
Town: Calverton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Arnold
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 2677
Folio: 58
Page Number: 21

Household Members: Name Age
John Wright 29
Mary Ann Wright 27
Charlotte Wright 5
Jane Elizabeth Wright 1

Good Luck. Come back if you need any more help.
Christine

Hi everyone I have finally recieved the right birth certificate for Lucy Ann Wright born 1896
as you may remember i sent for the certificate of Lucy Ann Wright born 1895 which gave her fathers name as William But on Lucy Ann 's marriage certificate her fathers name was John, you all advised me to send for the 1896 certificate her father was John Wright born around 1863 he married
Mary Ann Spizer in 1885 in Basford Nottinghamshire July to Sept quarter
Mary Ann was born around 1864 I will send for their marriage certificate tomorrow we can now get on with researching my husbands very secretive ancesters his mothers side of the family anyway his fathers side is a complete mystery Thankyou for all your very invalueble help

Oh Christine, I didn't think that you were abrupt at all! There is no need for an apology.

And Yip! Lucy Ann Francis seems to be the lady in question!

Sorry rootgatherer, I didn't mean it to sound abrupt. I only asked because poodles was sounding as though they still weren't convinced and feeling very confused, and I wondered why she has always been adamant that her fathers grandmother died as a Wright. I thought perhaps they knew something we didn't i.e. who registered the death.

Personally I agree that everything points to Lucy Ann Francis, and as you say, a real coincidence that they died in the same year.

Christine, we think that Lucy Ann Francis is the correct lady. Perhaps I was the cause of the confusion when I found that there were 2 Lucy Ann Wrights born within a year of each other in the correct area. I posted the death of the "other" Lucy Ann as it had her DOB and to illustrate that Colleen had the wrong birth certificate. Like you, I agree that the facts speak for themselves as Lucy Ann Francis was a witness to Charlotte's marriage.

Bit of a co-incidence that they both die in 1971 too!

Order the 1896 birth cert Colleen - that is the one you need.

You have confirmed that the birth cert you have matches up to the death of Lucy Ann Wright and not Lucy Ann Francis which is the one you need.

Oie vie

Dea x

Hi poodles
Would you please tell us WHY you think that your husbands grandmothers death was this one, in the name of Wright -

Name: Lucy Ann Wright
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1895
Death Registration Month/Year: 1971
Registration district: Ilkeston
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1175

and NOT this one, in the name of Francis?

Name: Lucy Ann Francis
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1896
Death Registration Month/Year: 1971
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 780

If you are absolutely certain for some reason that the death in the name of Lucy Ann WRIGHT is your husbands grandmother, then I think you can assume that she isn't the Lucy Ann Wright who married Mr Francis. The birth dates just do not tie up.

What a coincidence though that a Lucy Ann Francis name is on the marriage cert of Charlotte.

p.s. Please read my post above and let me know whether you are also interested in my possible findings on your husbands paternal side.

Hi Dea
Exact date of Lucy Ann Wright's birth is 30th June 1985 Marlpool Heanor
registration dictrict Basford birth in the sub - district of Ilkeston
in the counties of Derby & Nottingham.
these birth certificates are driving us mad .
thanks for all your help

Thank you Janey,

I have edited my posts to the correct birth date of 1896 (not 1886).

I went 'astray' when Colleen posted:

Hi having computor problems so hope you don't recieve this message twice i sent for & recieved the birth & certificate of Lucy Ann Wright born 1885 which has the name of Lucy Ann's father as William Wright a coal miner & Mary Ann Wright maiden name Watson But on Lucy Ann's marriage certificate her fathers name is John Wright who was a bricklayer "

She, of course, also meant 1895 (not 1885).

We just need to know from Colleen (Poodles) the exact date of birth on the cert she has received so that we can match it with the correct death, then we can be sure that she needs to order the other birth cert.

And, yes, Colleen, you just need the ref. numbers given for the 1896 cert and you can order it through GRO - You give the quarter, year, ref no. and reg district 'exactly' as given on the info we have given you.

Dea x

I get it! I wonder whether poodles typed in the date of birth from the death record rather than the date of birth on the birth certificate. ;)

I know I've done similarly clumsy things hereabouts!

You seem to be very confused poodles. WHY do you think that your husbands grandmother died as Lucy Ann Wright? The fact that Lucy Ann Francis was on your mothers marriage cert would certainly point to her marriage to James E Francis, which would also point to her death as the Lucy Ann Francis that matches the birth in Jan-March 1896. Even the fathers name appears to match that one. The only things that seem to be confusing you are that you appear to have sent for the wrong birth cert and are confused about her death.


You also say that you can’t find your husbands paternal side either.

Was his fathers name George Edward Perrin and what age did he give on his marriage certificate to your mother in law Charlotte? Was he about 26? Also, I see that he gave his father’s name on the marriage certificate as Henry? Did your father in law die in 1977 in Chesterfield by any chance? If these details match what you have, I think I may have found the family quite easily. If you tell me that any of these fact match what you know I will post what I have found.

Janey to try to clarify a bit.

Yes you are correct that the birth and death details of that Lucy Ann match.

Here is the details (we think) of the other Lucy Ann.

So, we have 2 Lucy Ann Wrights born within a year of each other in the correct area.

Births Sep 1895 Wright Lucy Ann Basford 7b 186 <<<(This is the one that we think that Poodles has the birth cert. for)

Births Mar 1896 Wright Lucy Ann Basford 7b 260


There seems to be only one of them who married and this looks like the death of the other one.

Name: Lucy Ann Wright
Birth Date: 30 Jun 1895
Death Registration Month/Year: 1971
Registration district: Ilkeston
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1175


What Dea and I are having difficulty following is that Poodles has said that the date of birth on the certificate for William's Lucy Ann match that of the death of Lucy Ann Francis.

We need Poodles to tell us the exact date of birth on that birth certificate she has.

I'm still confused. Isn't this death

Name: Lucy Ann Francis
> Birth Date: 13 Feb 1896
Death Registration Month/Year: 1971
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 780

a perfect match with this birth

Births Mar 1896
Wright Lucy Ann Basford 7b 260

?


Btw, my mother's mother's mother's family is from Calverton way back -- Coopers and Smiths. ;)

I'd like to try to help (I think everybody else is asleep) but I am having a * of a time following your posts, poodles! A comma occasionally, a period -- but most importantly, can you break your posts up as we do with some white space between thoughts? Hit "Enter" twice to make paragraphs. Your post above is one single sentence!



these birth certificates for Lucy Ann Wright are driving us round the bend

as you have all very kindly pointed out I have the wrong certificate for Lucy Ann Wright
I have the Lucy Ann born for 1895 in Heanor Derbyshire with William as her father, & with your help i now realize I need Lucy Ann Wright born Calverton Nottinghamshire in 1896 with John as her father

the trouble is I can't find a record for Lucy Ann Wright born 1896 with a father John

I know you have given me Lucy Ann Wright Vol 7b page 260 Basford Notts but was this found on Genes Reunited & do I give General Registry the information you have been good enough to find for me,

one more thing do I have to give calverton as lucy Ann's birth place or Basford



It comes from FreeBMD which you need to get acquainted with!

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

and yes, that's the info you use to order the certificate. You give Basford as the registration district where the birth was registered.



Dea keeps saying 1885 and 1886 which is confusing me even more. It's 1895 and 1896, right?

Fastyr mie It's me again these birth certificates for Lucy Ann Wright are driving us round the bend as you have all very kindly pointed out I have the wrong certificate for Lucy Ann Wright I have the Lucy Ann born for 1895 in Heanor Derbyshire with William as her father, & with your help i now realize I need Lucy Ann Wright born Calverton Nottinghamshire in 1896 with John as her father the trouble is I can't find a record for Lucy Ann Wright born 1896 with a father John I know you have given me Lucy Ann Wright Vol 7b page 260 Basford Notts but was this found on Genes Reunited & do I give General Registry the information you have been good enough to find for me, hope you can all understand my message it has been a long confusing week between birth certificates a sick husband & grandsons school holidays I am not sure if i am coming or going thankyou one more thing do I have to give calverton as lucy Ann's birth place or Basford

Thankyou everyone I will send for the other Lucy Ann Wrights birth certificate on Monday morning & I will let you know the contents as soon as the certificate arrives, It takes a little longer to reach us on the Island My husband always said tracing his family tree would be complicated & it sure is we are totally stuck on his fathers side do to a family fued apparently the family fell apart & now they have all gone so knowone to ask
thankyou so much everyonewithout your help I would be stuck

Have to go off for tonight - will pick this up again in the morning!

Dea x

I think this has got confused somewhere Rootgatherer.

I would like Colleen to give us the exact details from that birth cert !!!

I am sure it refers to the other one you found !!

Dea x