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Sally Argent looking for any records on John Breen

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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 21:28

Births Mar 1892
Breen Gertrude Emily Woolwich 1d 1235

Births Dec 1893
Breen Mary Ethel Woolwich 1d 1203

Births Jun 1897
Breen Mabel Elizabeth Woolwich 1d 1212

Births Mar 1900
Breen Maude Lilly Woolwich 1d 1330

Births Dec 1902
Breen Clara Emily Woolwich 1d 1239

Births Mar 1906
Breen John Alfred Woolwich 1d 1302

Births Dec 1909
BREEN Leonard Ernest Woolwich 1d 1160

Births Jun 1912
Breen Stanley G O'Neil Woolwich 1d 2207

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 21:32

I have so far seen no evidence of Patick as a middle name for John or Frances as a first name for Emily.
What does it say on the marriage cert?

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 21:54

I cannot see Thomas Susan's or John's birth in hampshire on free bmd

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 22:07

Possible death for Thomas

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Thomas Breen
Name: Thomas Breen
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1916
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 739

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 22:12

1871 Address: Yaverland Battery Royal Artillery, Yaverland
GOWING, Francis Soldier M 24 1847 Norfolk
WELEAN, William Soldier M 22 1849 France
BREEN, John Soldier M 40 1831 Ireland
DOWN, Mary Ripon Visitor F 5 1866 Cornwall

This could be dad.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 24 Feb 2013 22:17

1851 Institution: Chatham Barracks,
BREEN, John Unmarried M 19 1832 Private Army
Leitrim Drumriley

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 25 Feb 2013 07:35

Familysearch shows a John Breen born in Leitrim in 1830 as having an entry in the Chelsea Pensioners Service Records.
Perhaps someone with a FMP subscription could check it.

Joy Kentish Maid

Joy Kentish Maid Report 25 Feb 2013 09:02

Thank you for the message.

Re "John Breen born c1830 and Bridget Learoklin born c1832. I understood from my Father, who is now deceased, that they were Irish." -

As civil registration for births in Ireland began in 1864, it is possible that you will never be certain as to the places of their origin unfortunately.

The surname Breen comes from various parts of Ireland. For example, a James Breen was a witness to the marriage of my great-great-grandparents in 1848 in Co. Tyrone; I was fortunate with that marriage record because it was on the BVRI (British Vital Records Index) CD.

No doubt you will have seen online the family tree by Margaret Kennedy.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Feb 2013 09:44

This must be the record that Beverley refers to:

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s): John
Last name: BREEN
Calculated year of birth: 1830
Parish of birth:
Town of birth: Cash
County of birth: Leitrim
Age at attestation: 24 years 6 months
Attestation date: 14 October 1854
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Private
Discharge corps: Grenadier Guards
Discharge soldier number: 2071
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1365 / 157

He was discharged 1866 as no longer fit to be a soldier. The reason was intermittent mania largely due to drink. He was, however, deemed able to earn a living.

There is no mention of any family.

Joy Kentish Maid

Joy Kentish Maid Report 25 Feb 2013 11:20

Sally, please would you tell us what details are on the birth certificate for your grandfather John Patrick Breen born 25.12.1865 in Isle of Mile. Thank you.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 12:36

Please look at the 1911 census i posted earlier then compare with 1901. I think you have made some assumptions from what you have been told
there is more than 1breen in woolwich. you need to start with yorself and work back.

Sally

Sally Report 25 Feb 2013 22:43

The marriage certificate for John Breen and Emily O'Neil only shows those names, not the John Patrick or Frances Emily so have inadvertently misled you. I do not have that John Breen's birth certificate (25.12.1865) as I was not sure where he was born. That information came from Australia. It would now appear that he was born in Gosport and when I get the reference number, I will order the birth certificate. My father did say that John Breen,his grandfather, born c1830 "was in the Royal Artillery, so was a gunner, and I know he served some time in India".

Thanks so much to you all for your help.
Sally :-)

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 22:58

This is another candidate for dad in 1871.

1871 England Census about John Breen
Name: John Breen
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth Town
ED, institution, or vessel: Cambridge Barracks
Name Age
Christopher Barron 36
Henrietta Barrow 22
Christopher Barrow 2
Samuel Blackmun 33
John Breen 35
Fredrick Coe 35
Hugh Collins 33
James Coomer 30
Christopher Connors 34
Charles Curtin 19
Willm Berdes Dawkins 25

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 23:12

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Alfred Breen
Name: John Alfred Breen
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Mar 1906
Father's Name: John Breen
Mother's name: Emily Breen
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich Holy Trinity
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers
born feb 20 1906
father is noted as a fireman.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 23:19

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about John Breen
Name: John Breen
Year: 1890
County or Borough: Greenwich
Ward or Division/Constituency: Greenwich
Street Address: 7 Batchelor place Marsh lane


On the marriage cert did it say if his father was deceased.?
What was the address of the bride and groom?
Who were the witnesses?

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 23:26

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Gertrude Emily Breen
Name: Gertrude Emily Breen
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 May 1892
Father's Name: John Breen
Mother's name: Frances Emily Breen <<<<<< 1st mention of Frances.
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers
172 Powis Street.
father noted as a labourer.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 23:34

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Mabel Elizabeth Breen
Name: Mabel Elizabeth Breen
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 May 1897
Father's Name: John Breen
Mother's name: Emily Breen
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers
172 Powis Sstreet. Father is labourer in the Royal Arsenal

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 23:37

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Maud Lily Breen
Name: Maud Lily Breen
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Jan 1900
Father's Name: John Breen
Mother's name: Emily Breen
Parish or Poor Law Union: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers
175 Powis Street.
father noted as a labourer.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 23:45

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Maud L Breen
Name: Maud L Breen
Birth Date: abt 1900
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 434

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Maud Lily Breen
Name: Maud Lily Breen
Probate Date: 11 Feb 1947
Death Date: 21 Oct 1946
Death Place: Kent, England
Registry: London, England
80 west heath rd abby wood
to john breen retired furnaceman

john breen of the same address died 11 mar 1947

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 25 Feb 2013 23:49

Interesting as there was a John Patrick Breen married to Emily who died june 3 1946 cheshire so that could a source of the confusion