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I have got the names of samuels parents from tas site and they are
John harris and emma maria reese but am unable to find a marriage for them prior to his birth.
They were not convicts as there is no record of them being so and samuels was a military birth and in fact he was in the
Royal Irish himself.

I have found and obtained his marriage cert in the punjab in 1905 but it does not give his fathers occupation,just that he was deceased.

Other than that I have only this
His death in 1962 and,

1901 England Census
about Samuel Wallace Harris
Name: Samuel Wallace Harris
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Gender: Male
Where born: Tasmaina

Civil Parish: New Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: New Windsor St John and All Saints
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Windsor
Sub-registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: Victoria Barracks Windsor
************************************


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Samuel Wallace Harris
Name: Samuel Wallace Harris
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 59
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 1 Apr 1932
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Fremantle, Colombo, Bombay, Aden, Port Said, Marseilles
Ship Name: Moldavia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Moldavia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 145973

His children were born in kilkenny while he was stationed there so he is not on the 1911 england census and is not on the irish one either.

Any help to find anything on him other than this ,especially his parents marriage, would be wonderful.

There's a submitted (unsubstantiated) record in the IGI that says this:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

John Harris
Birth: 1854 Wesrbromwich, , Stafford, England
Spouse: Emma Reece
Marriage: About 1876 West Bromwich, Stafford, England


That should be findable in the GRO, if it's true ...

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

but there doesn't seem to be such a marriage there.


This looks like the couple in question, in the 1881 in West Bromwich - no Samuel:

John Thos. Harris 27
Emma Harris 25
Wm. Henry Harris 4
John Thos. Harris 2

I'm new to Tasmanian BMDs.

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8

Found his birth,

HARRIS, SAMUEL WALLACE
Gender: Male
Birth 1872 - NEW NORFOLK,Tasmania
FAMILY INFORMATION
Parents:
182426 HARRIS JOHN

clicked on his father's name, John Harris, shows mother's name, Emma Maria Reese.

Marriage/Relationship: 1873 - NEW NORFOLK,Tasmania

This seems to be reliable info? What do you do with it now??

Ah, I see. The marriage info has the notation @ beside it.

@ indicates that the date give for a marriage is derived from the date of the first identified birth of a child to the two people and therefore may not be accurate. In such cases the place is derived in the same way and may not be accurate.


Clever of them to derive a marriage date *after* the child's birth.

There was no middle name on samuels birth or on his marriage for his father john.
I have searched on FMP for a marriage for them and also have had someone search in tas,just in case.
This is not the only problem I have with samuel either.
How did his wife get back in the country but doesnt show on any incoming?
Surely even if she went straight to Ireland from the punjab it would show up somewhere?
Isabel harris born 1869 but lied on her marriage and says its 1872.
I have found her with family in 1901 and back.
but no trace of her leaving england as isabel pullen born england ,to get to Rawal Pindi Punjab between 1901 and 1905 when she married.
I think she may have gone out there as a missionary as she was married by a missionary and not by an army chaplain.

What I recieved from a gr member who was going to the right place to look up for me on samuel .

Hi there, I wasn't able to print out the record, their printers are down, but, it didn't give us any more than we already know, except his dob is 27/12/1873, not 1872. The Reg no i s 1104/1873 and the ref RGD33, and it was recorded in New Norfolk which is a farming community about 1 1/2 hrs drive from hobart.

Pullen! Pullen! We're related!

My mum's uncle Charlie Smith (yes, sigh, Charlie Smith -- turned out to be his real name, and not, as he apparently told the tale, his orphan name under which he came to Canada as a Home Chlid) ... anyway, Charlie's mother was Fanny Pullen. Of course, I'm not actually related to him; he married my mum's aunt.

We're not related, we're not related ...

Okay. There are several Emma Maria REES births in the GRO. That sounds promising to me. More so than "Reese", which I'd say is suspect.

To have a kid in 1873, she'd have been born not much after 1853 at the latest. Those southern hemisphere colonials did tend to marry at ungodly young ages though.

Do you want one from Wales, then? Carmarthen 1847.

Plus St Pancras 1853, would seem to be your choices.

This would be the Carmarthen one?

Marriages Sep 1873
Rees Emma Maria Neath 11a 879

No apparent marriage for the St Pancras one.

And no reason to think she and John Harris were born in the UK, I guess!

I toyed with sending for his birth cert but then found out it would cost £45 and went into shock,so changed my mind!
And I dont suppose it would give any more info than we already have.
I do wish his fathers occupation had been on something.

Any joy finding miss isabel pullen going out or mrs Isabel harris coming in?
Thanks for this help,it is much needed and much appreciated.

I did search for emma maria rees but came to the conclusion that I couldnt be sure of the correct one!
Ditto with john harris and there are STACKS of them to choose from.

Well, I found the 1854 Emma Maria Rees in 1881 probably, but then also found this:

Deaths Jun 1883
Rees Emma Maria 29 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 284

so it looks unlikely she's yours.


For goings and comings I'm no use. I don't have enhanced access at Ancestry, and I don't know much of anything about Australian stuff.

Go find Ozibird and/or Lewella and the rest of that crew!

They should be waking up sometime soon ...

This is Isabel?

Births Dec 1869
Pullen Isabel Hackney 1b 417

1901

Name: Isabel Pullen
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas J
Mother's Name: Isabel
Where born: Ilington, London, England

Civil Parish: Caterham

Thomas J Pullen 66
Isabel Pullen 66
Isabel Pullen 30
Ellen Smith 30
Frank Williams 3


Household in 1881:

Thomas J. Pullen 47
Isabel Pullen 47
Isabel Pullen 11
Alice M. Pullen 9
Ruth Pullen 4
Rose Gardener 25
-- visitor, "Governess Private Prof" -- I don't suppose that's of any interest?
Emma Coot 23 - servant


Any luck tracing Isabel's sibs?

These are in trees at GR:

Isabel 1868 Port Sorell, Tasmania
Isabel 1868 Sheffield, Tasmania, Australia

You sure you got the right Isabel? Or do they have her place of birth wrong? Can there be two?

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=240831

PULLEN, ISABEL FANNY
Gender: Female
Birth 1868 - PORT SORELL,Tasmania
FAMILY INFORMATION
Parents:
225367 LOCK MARY JANE
253333 PULLEN THOMAS
Siblings:
240827 PULLEN KATE LOCK 1861
240826 PULLEN LOUISA MARY 1863
240825 PULLEN WILLIAM HENRY 1865
240824 PULLEN CHARLES HERBERT 1871
240832 PULLEN GEORGE GERALD 1873
240830 PULLEN GRACE EMMIE 1875
240829 PULLEN ARTHUR LESLIE 1877
240828 PULLEN ERNEST FRANK 1879
240822 PULLEN ALIE BERTHA 1882
240833 PULLEN THOMAS ROYDEN 1884
240823 PULLEN LEONARD MAITLAND 1886

Her fathers name is Thomas james pullen on the marriage cert,no occupation ,just deceased.
So I do think it is the 1881 that you have posted as his name is also thomas james pullen and he married Isabel sadgrove in 1868.

I can find all the 1881 lot every where,1911 england,marriages deaths etc but not Isabel after 1901, that is my reasoning for her being the english one.
Oh and on the marriage cert it says english in brackets under both her and samuels names.
She has no middle name on it either.
I have sent for their youngest sons birth cert from kilkenny but have still to recieve it.

The family stories say that they thought she was potugese,but that is not seeming to be the case by what I have been finding so far.
Or going on her marriage cert.
The only trouble is that her marriage to samuel broke down sometime after the birth of the youngest child in 1911 and although they didnt divorce they lived seperate lives.
And much more is known on samuel than her,not that that is much either.
And I have not found a death for Isabel harris as yet.

I will have to leave this for now,as I am too tired to think straight ,but will check back in the morning.
Thank you for the help so far Janeycanuck.

Ha. Help. You are too kind. ;)

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It has been verified that samuel was born 27/12/1872 birth reg jan 1873, and his father john was a shoemaker. Now if we could just find he and emma's passage to Tasmania..............

Linda :)

I got it, I got it, Emma Maria Reeves married John Harris in 1866 in New Norfolk Tasmania, they had 2 other children (so far). John Albert Harris 1867 and Ellen Evaline 1876. Gee, big gap in between, oh the transcriber got her surname wrong!! John unfortunately was not born in tas and the birthdate they have for him is 1807/10, and Emma is 1845, parents:
Millicent emma Burt/1817, John Reeves 1810. So now we just have to find john harris coming into tas before 1866......................... john harris is a shoemaker.

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