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I didnt tell you both,but,I sent for this birth cert as it is isabels{1835} sister and it came today.
Well I couldnt get hers could I? cos it was pre registration.


1841 England Census
about Louisa Sadgren
Name: Louisa Sadgren
[Louisa Sadgrove]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
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Louisa sadgrove born,30-12-1839
At,21 Eden Street.

Father,william sadgrove,,upholsterer,,
Mother,,Isabella sadgrove,formerly,,,Richmond.

Tomorrow ,or as its tomorrow here now,in the morning.
B

Hurrah"!<>*

The convict ship returned to British waters this morning ,with all safe and well on board.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU ,LINDA.

I am sticking with my choice of sadgroves,so bloomers to er wot thinks I mayhap be wrong.
After more searching,looking,sleeping on it, all my bones and water tell me that it is the right parents for Isabel 1835.
And I reckon that the enumerator misheard the name as sarah on 1871 ,or was tired and was thinking of home or a pint of ale and wanted to get finished!



B

Ah found him.
Arthur sadfrong
I can say with almost 99% certainty ,thank heavens, thats not one of my lot.

1841 England Census
about Isabella Sadgrove
Name: Isabella Sadgrove
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St John Hackney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Sadgrove 7 ,,,pupil

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1851 England Census
about Isabel Sadgnove
Name: Isabel Sadgnove
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sadgnove 49
Isabella Sadgnove 52
William H P Sadgnove 18
Isabel Sadgnove 16
Harriet Sadgnove 15
Emma E Goodared 18
Mary Kallahin 21

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I believe these to be her,

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But there are these as well that are connected somehow,probably grandparents.They have the same addressish that isabel had in 1841.
One is brunswick house and the other brunswick cottage.


1851 England Census
about William Sadgrove
Name: William Sadgrove
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: West Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sadgrove 70
Elizabeth Sadgrove 68
Anna Mc Kellers 19
Alfred Sadgrove 15
Daniel J Mc Kellers 25
Lydia Tlnibb 45
Lydia Dyer 21
James W Mc Kellers 6 Mo
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wheres the sadfrong??

She's so easy to wind up.

Your upholderer / plain William / Isabella hypothesis makes perfect sense, of course.

Show us Isabel in 1841 when you get a chance?


Reading Sadgrove mistranscriptions is quite entertaining, if nothing else. I see a Sadfrong, too. I have a distant ancestor named Strongitharm. You should see what Ancestry has managed to do with that one. (The other person besides me who has corrected masses of them has a one-name study going and actually lives in Canada and shares my occupation! but we've never figured out any relationship.)

Oh RASPBERRIES.
thpit ,thpit
now I will have to spend more hours and hours rechecking everything.
Bed here I come.

Snarky, snarky, now.

I still like Harold.

William & William Harry couldn't have been brothers.

So all Sadgroves named their children Isabel and Harold!

And then they called themselves Sarah and Mohammed on the censuses, just for a lark. ;)

Oh yeah,and on the 1868 mc of isabel sadgrove and thomas james pullen isabels father is given as plain william,no harry for second name,no second name at all ,at all.
And being such "educated"" wealthy" people I would have thought it would have been given if he had one?
B

Thank you ladies,I must away to my bed now,the eyes are tired.
But I am sure it will all be sorted when I awake refreshed,to check how you have put me right.!
B

can't find a birth for isabelle in 1837??

Julias husband isnt a upholsterer,but isabelles is.
Thats my reasoning for isabelle as mum and not julia.

Maybe they all just thought Isabella was a nicer name??!!!

Brucie says that one's wrong. Hmm. I dunno. Harold ...

fmp again:
Name Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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SADGROVE, William M 40 1801 VIEW
SADGROVE, Julia F 40 1801 VIEW
SADGROVE, Julia F 10 1831 VIEW
SADGROVE, Isabel F 5 1836 Kent VIEW
SADGROVE, Harold M 5 1836 Kent VIEW
HAMMOND, Alice F 35 1806 VIEW
SHEARMAN, Eleanor F 30 1811 VIEW
HART, Caroline F 20 1821 Kent VIEW
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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
489 Book/Folio:
11/28 Page:
13

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich, West EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Greenwich Municipal Borough:
Greenwich Address:
Van's Hart Terrace, Greenwich

gonna leave it 'cos I hate deleting, but congrats janey!

Well. So says you.

So who's been tarting up their records at Ancestry then?

1841

Name: Isabella Sadgren
[Isabella Sadgrove]
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex

etc.


Corrections for Isabella Sadgren - 1841 England Census
Correction Detail:
Surname: Sadgrove
Correction Type: Transcription Error
Explanation: known to be Sadgrove at this address
Contributed By: ____
Contributed On: 04/11/2006


Someone by another name, or are you in touch?

1841 England Census
about William Sadgren
Name: William Sadgren
[William Sadgrove]
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell and Moorfields

On her marriage cert ,,father william is an upholsterer.
On 1841 isabel//la is at some sort of school by grandpa william and in 1851 is staying with grandpa william sadgrove{cabinet maker employing 25 men}

What? How do you know mother's name is Isabella?

With a brother Harold and you think it isn't her?

Hmmmm.

1841 in Greenwich:

William Sadgrove 40
Julia Sadgrove 40
Julia Sadgrove 10
Isabel Sadgrove 5 (not born in county)
Harold Sadgrove 5
Alice Hammond 35


Names match up nicely -- Harold for brother, Hammond for grandmother, and sister Julia is in the same batch in the IGI.

Wrong one Janey.
Mothers name isabella.