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The Woods

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Quinsgran Report 18 Dec 2008 20:30

Peter I knew a Pennock in Middlesbrough in the 1960s but I cant remember his first name.Small world as they say. I havnt got Ancestry anymore so cant check for your Pennocks. Perhaps they were neighbours of my grandmother.

As a child she lived directly behind the house I was born in in Duncombe St. Of course I didnt know that till I started looking for her on the census
Just as a bit of interest. The missing Darby family Philip with baby Isabella. Isabella or Belle as she was known became a music hall artiste and married Jimmy James. I have their marriage cert in Stockton in 1922

Just amending the Pennock I knew was spelt Pennick and his name was Victor


Peter Report 18 Dec 2008 16:18

That's stange - I have family in Jamieson Street - Pennock. Not sure what number though ... their defintiley there in 1901!


Quinsgran Report 17 Dec 2008 23:55

Jamieson St from 18 -42. I have a birth cert of a relative born at 18 Jamieson St on 20th Feb but not registered till Eleventh April and still at the same address,so the family should have been there.

The other family, Darby are in Jamieson St including my grandmother.It is her brother Philip the father of the baby whos family is missing. I was told by another member that side of the street was missing


Peter Report 17 Dec 2008 22:56

Hi Margaret,

Which part of Middlesbrough your family from - I have family in Middlesbrough in 1901 and they are missing from the census. I don't know their exact address in 1901 and it is a common name. Perhaps they were neighbours ... what street is missing?



Quinsgran Report 17 Dec 2008 19:29

Interesting reading. getting back to Olna . There is a birth for Owen in mar qt 1860. The census are not the originals but are copied from original papers by the enumerator into a book so mistakes could be made if the writing was obscure . I guess you like the rest of us is waiting patiently for the 1911 census.
I have a relative missing in 1901. They are in Middlesbrough too. The census page is missing for one side of the street


Peter Report 17 Dec 2008 15:53

Well this is fabulous - I have emailed Tyne and Wear Archives to see if they can help with the children in the workhouse. So sad ...

John Woods - the first documentation I have of him is his 1877 marriage to his wife in Middlesbrough. His father is Robert Woods, a labourer. In 1881 he is in West Hartlepool and his place of birth is Stockton-on-Tees, in 1891 he is back in Middlesbrough where his place of birth is Sunderland and in 1895 he was sentenced to prison for battering his wife. Then in 1901 he is in Middlesbrough with his youngest daughter living as lodgers in his oldest married daughter's house. His 'ex' - wife and the rest of the family are a few streets away, she working as a laundress. To confuse matters, John's wife was born in County Durham (I have the birth certificate) to Irish immigrants and each census states she was born in Durham, although this 1901 states Ireland. Likewise John in the 1901 states Middlesbrough.

So with this in mind another researcher found the 1861 census and the 1871 which I attached. Seen as this family lived in Middlesbrough, Stockton and Sunderland, and they had a son John born at the time expected with a father named Robert who was a labourer, fitted everything together.

As for Olna, I too thought Owen but I saw the origional census return too! Any other ideas; I am really excited to find out more now! What became of this family after their breakdown? So sad to think this is what became of people not that long ago ... one final part of the mystery ...

I can't find John Woods' death. He is so elusive. On his children's BMD certs he is listed as been alive and then deceased and so forth. If he flitted off one night then perhaps we'll never find out!

Thank you, and I look forward to what else we can find out!



mgnv Report 17 Dec 2008 14:27

I've just checked the image (Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3654; Folio: 66; Page: 42; GSU roll: 543167.) and I think it says Olna. He's described as "Son" and his age appears in the male column - this enumerator has also added the prefix M to all male ages, including Olna's.
The O in Olna looks like the O in Ormesby, I suppose the n might be a v, but that hardly decreases its weirdness, notwithstanding Thomas Alva Edison of inventing fame. (I have seen Alvah used occassionally as a surname, but it's a Banffshire parish name, and it was used in Banff/Aberdeen, so that's not quite the same.)


Quinsgran Report 17 Dec 2008 11:12

I remember reading about an Irish family who incidently were living in Middlesbrough but born in Ireland lying about their place of birth on the census.
It was proved to a member they were Irish. The reason for lying was because poor people were afraid of being sent back.

As for the name Olna. Have you checked the census image as I havnt heard that name before and cant find it bmds. Is Olna male or female. Could it be Owen?


mgnv Report 17 Dec 2008 04:18

This is a possibility, too:

1881 England Census
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 1 North Hall Farm
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Ann Twiner 49 West Auckland, Durham, England Head W
Mary Ann Twiner 11 Bishopwth, Durham, England Daughter Scholar
Edward Twiner 40 Wakefield, Durham, England Brother U Farmer of 45 acres
Alice Islsley 19 Burmah, India British Subject Servant U Dairy Maid
William Islsley 2 Sunderld, Durham, England Son
Grace Emmerson 19 Scotland Servant U Domestic Farm Servt
Robert Wood 22 So Stockton, Yorkshire, England Servant U Farm Servant ****************
James Richardson 14 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Servant Farm Servant

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4988; Folio: 87; Page: 63; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342200.


Peter Report 17 Dec 2008 02:20

Wow this is fabulous information. I have never come accross this before! Wow ... thank you! I am shocked to find this! I would love to find out more! I have looked for further info but I can't find anything of yet! Can anyone spot anything else?




mgnv Report 17 Dec 2008 01:21


1871 England Census
Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Millfield St Mark
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Hylton Road, Bishopwearmouth
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: Sunderland Union Workhouse

Robert Wood 10 Stockton, Durham, England Orphan
James Wood 11 Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England Orphan
??Rgaret Wood 7 Stockton, Durham, England Inmate School Girl
??Ah Wood 6 Stockton, Durham, England Inmate School Girl

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5003; Folio: 74; Page: 22; GSU roll: 847379.
[It's odd that the younger is listed first one wonders if the enumerator mistranscribed a=14 as a=10.
I don't know that these girls are connected - they're not together with the boys. NB Page is torn - guess is [Ma]rgaret + [Sa]rah - Folio: 75; Page: 23]


jansmith Report 15 Dec 2008 22:31

?? Robert in 1881
Name: Robt. Woods
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: North Shields
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: 33 Dotwick St Lodging House


Peter Report 15 Dec 2008 22:19

Dear all,

below area family who are mentioned in 1861 and 1871 ,,, The mother's name of Roberta, is actually Rebecca ... the birth certificate of her son James Wood(s) in 1858 in Middlesbrough confirmed this, and her death in Stockton in 1866 also confirmed. However, although I do not know what happened to Robert jnr, James or Olna, I am desperate to find out what became of Robert Woods snr (born c. 1830 in Ireland), and Mary Ann Woods (born. 1855 in Stockton).

My ancestor was John Woods who was born 1854 in Ireland, although later censuses reveal different places of birth including Stockton, Middlesbrough and Sunderland ... don't ask me why he lied about his place or birth. Or if he even knew; he was sentenced to prison in 1895 for assaulting his wife. The newspaper reports are somewhat difficult to read.

So I am trying to see what became of his family and if they had any scrapes with the law like he did.

1861 England Census
about John Wood
Name: John Wood
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Roberta
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Normanby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:


Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Guisbrough
Sub registration district: Kirk Leatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Wood 32
Roberta Wood 30 [ireland]
John Wood 8
Mary Ann Wood 7 [stockton]
Robert Wood 4 [stockton]
James Wood 2 [middlesbrough]
Olna Wood 6 weeks [ormesby/yorks]

1871 Census

John Woods
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:


Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Woods 40 .. Ireland
John Woods 17
May Ann Woods 15 ... Stockton

Can anyone see the family in later censuses? Any deaths? Marriages? I hope this request is not too vauge but I have been looking and I thought I would ask to see if anyone else can find another route to help me out.