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Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 22 Jan 2013 20:09

Perhaps you could put something in your title asking for Canadian help

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 22 Jan 2013 18:03

Yes I now think that elvina is Yvonne too, I just don't know why she never appears anywhere before 1943, I have extensively searched electoral registers etc and she is no where under any variation of name or spelling not even the farm where she was born, she just never appears and it strange I would like to know how she ended up where she did but I suppose it will be an unanswered question many thanks for all your help Brenda even after 3 years!!! :-)

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 22 Jan 2013 13:55

Try looking at these on Ancestry....trees for Emily Gresley Jones family ( she married Stanley E Greenhalgh)



http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/11424929/person/12537032868
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/10401508/person/6503275197

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 22 Jan 2013 13:09


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Emily G Greenhalgh
Name: Emily G Greenhalgh
Gender: Female
Age: 36
Birth Date: abt 1913
Departure Date: 27 May 1949
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Ship Name: Aquitania
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Aquitania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 135538
Master: R B G Woollatt

landing at Halifax Nova Scotia
home address: Crumpsall, Manchester 8
occupation: Housekeeper
country of last permanent residence: Canada
Intended permanent residence: Canada
Travelling with daughter Penelope

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 22 Jan 2013 12:53

Hi Annie

What exactly are you looking for ?

I fully believe that the Gloucestershire family with father Arthur John Gore and mother Maria/Margaret Gore nee Knight and with daughter Elvina E M Gore aka Yvonne Gore/Greenhalgh are the correct family. Too many bits of info that appear to fit. not to be discounted.

This is probably Elvina/Yvonne

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Yvonne E M Gore
Name: Yvonne E M Gore
Year: 1948
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington
Street Address: 11 Flat (12 Clarendon Mews, Hyde Park, Paddington

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 20 Jan 2013 23:11

and just found a record on ancestry that shows a penelope greenhalgh (possible adoptee) boarding a boat with an emily G Greenhalgh in 1948 to canada... where would i search this further? as it may have been a mess up on the cert and she just may be overseas?

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 20 Jan 2013 22:53

Oh and just to add on my list of exciting things today- I think i have found a match on ancestry and she is listed as Yvonne Gore- (thats if the info matches up about the brothers and sisters...) but they appear to be descendants of Letitia "queenie" Gore so possibly they can shed some light onto this situation?!?! fingers crossed for a response!
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/43944250/family?cfpid=12746535856

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 20 Jan 2013 21:18

Right just checked out electorol registers:

1948- yvonne e m gore 12 clarendon mews matches pats bert cert
1949: 104 iverness terrace again sandy Greenhalgh and Yvonne Greenhalgh
1950: 104 iverness terrace with sandy e Greenhalgh and Yvonne
1951: 104 iverness house sandy and yvonne greenhalgh
1952:
1953: Edward & Yvonne 12 Kerbela Street (which matches michaels bert cert)
1954: Edward & Yvonna 12 kerbela St
1955:
1956: Stanley E Greenhalgh Yvonne Greenhalgh 18 Columbia square E2
1957:
1958: Stanley E & Yvonne 18 columbia square E2
1959: 171 Columbia square Stanley and Yvonne
1960:
1961: Yvonne M Stanley E 8 connet house matches certs
1962: Yvonne M Stanley E 8 connet house
1963: Yvonne M Greenhalgh Alone 8 Connet House
1964: Yvonne M Greenhalgh Alone 8 Connet House
1965: Yvonne M Greenhalgh Alone 8 Connet House

could find nothing for stanley for 63-65 anywhere... but he did die at the house as 8 connet house is listed as his addy on death cert and the 1948 entry...

yvonne e m gore

Elvina Evon May Gore... diff spelling BUT is fitting with the theory that family uses middle names first...

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 20 Jan 2013 19:25

12 kerbella street e2 is the address where they were in 1953 x strange about the 1963 one though? As both kids would have been young still??? And Stanley had not died then, and on the death cert his address was 8 connett house.... :-/

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 20 Jan 2013 19:20

They also appear at the time of Michaels birth in a pub as I went and saw the record myself in Bancroft road and Patricia had assumed the surname Greenhalgh at that time x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 20 Jan 2013 19:12

Hello Brenda!!! Oh my goodness I never thought anyone would still be around!!! I am still no where nearer to working it out!! That is them as the address is where they was listed as when married and when they died, how do you do searches on register? As I would like to look for the address listed on pats berth cert and year before and year after might shed some light as to how she just sprung up!!

Hope you are well xxx

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 20 Jan 2013 14:30

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 about Yvonne M Greenhalgh
Name: Yvonne M Greenhalgh
Year: 1961
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: Bethnal Green
Street Address: 8 Connett House, Teesdale st E2

residents:- Stanley E Greenhalgh
Yvonne M Greenhalgh


But.............

1963 only Yvonne May Greenhalgh is Registered

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 20 Jan 2013 13:21

Hi Annie,

I'm still here............................................Brenda aka Moody Blue x

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 19 Jan 2013 21:48

dont suppose anyone from this thread is still around? as im still searching for info.......

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 8 Aug 2009 07:06

Annie.........where are you? Any news as it has been such a long time?

Brenda x

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 1 Jul 2009 19:40

Annie, he is not John George Gore ......... he is Arthur John Gore!

From page 9 of this thread:-


This is "John" Gore from the 1911 census!

Births Jun 1872
GORE ARTHUR JOHN Newbury 2c 244

and his wifes birth:-

Births Mar 1874
Knight Maria Winchcomb 6a 402



MARRIAGE Dec 1895
Gore JOHN Gloucester 6a 585
Knight Maria Gloucester 6a 585


Maria is listed as Margaret in 1911 census.

JOHN GORE is really ARTHUR JOHN GORE ( see census below)

1901 England Census
about Arthur I Gore (should be Arthur J Gore)
Name: Arthur I Gore
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Newbury, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Winchcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Gretton Christchurch and Winchcombe St Peter
Town: Gretton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Winchcombe
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
>>>>>>>>>>Arthur I Gore 28 General Labourer
Maria Gore 27
Charles I L Gore 4
Archibald R Gore 3
Beatrice I Gore 1
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2456; Folio: 123; Page: 16.



1881 England Census
about Arthur J. Gore
Name: Arthur J. Gore
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenham, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Greenham
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address: Folly West Side
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Newbury
Sub-registration district: Thatcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gore 37 General Labourer
Emily Gore 34
Anna M. Gore 11
>>>>>>>>Arthur J. Gore 8
Harry G. Gore 6
Herbert E. Gore 3
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1268; Folio: 49; Page: 6; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341309.


1911 Census Household Transcript
>>>>>>>>GORE JUNR, JOHN HEAD MARRIED M 39 GENERAL LABOURER NEWBURY BERKSHIRE
GORE, MARGARET WIFE MARRIED 15 F 37 WINCHCOMBE GLOSTERSHIRE
GORE, LAUNCELOT SON SINGLE M 15 GENERAL LABOURER GRETTON GLOSTERSHIRE
GORE, ARCHIBALD SON M 13 GENERAL LABOURER GRETTON GLOSTERSHIRE
GORE, BEATRICE DAUGHTER F 11 SCHOOL GRETTON GLOSTERSHIRE
GORE, DORIS DAUGHTER F 9 GRETTON GLOSTERSHIRE
GORE, ANNIE DAUGHTER F 7 GRETTON GLOSTERSHIRE
GORE, NELLIE DAUGHTER F 4 GRETTON GLOSTERSHIRE
GORE, QUENNIE DAUGHTER F 2 GRETTON GLOSTERSHIRE


Address WARREN LODGE FARM LANGLEY HILL WINCHCOMB GLOUCESTERSHIRE County Gloucestershire
District Winchcomb Subdistrict Guiting
Enumeration District 12 Parish Winchcombe



Brenda x

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 1 Jul 2009 11:18

Then I would write to Gloucester reg office with all the relevant details
Names.....
Quarter......
Year.......
Dont give ref numbers as reg offices dont use them.
Enclose an S.A.E,your phone number and a"please would you search your register letter",lots of thank yous for your time etc,and a cheque for £7 and if they cant find it you will get the cheque back.

viv

Ann-Marie

Ann-Marie Report 1 Jul 2009 09:32

LOL- I know I am a flake at times-

Brenda- That is the GRO reference that i used- his name was John George and I typed that in, but seen as every time he appears on a census he referrs to him self as George, I feel it only fitting that I referr to him Also as george.

So the GRO ref you have noted, was not available when requested..... Strange eh?

Thanks

Annie x

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 29 Jun 2009 22:15

It would seem that Annies fingers work seperately from her brain???

Memo to Annie................
work slower,read twice and type correctly once.:}

Saves money that way!!

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 29 Jun 2009 22:02

maybe the reason they couldn't find the marriage for George and Maria is because it's not them......its John and Maria:-



MARRIAGE Dec 1895

GORE JOHN Gloucester 6a 585
KNIGHT MARIA Gloucester 6a 585

Brenda