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Hello again Lorraine............don't worry about the "problem" with Eliza/Elizabeth..its the same name..and its Elizabeth in the original Parish records and Eliza on Family Search........

Derek

hi derek
no dont know anything about ann 1821 it was just funny that parents were william and honour
i was just trying to find anything i could about this family
and i dont even knon weather there daughter born /baptisted was eliza or elizabeth
the baptism i found was eliza

anyway think i might have to do other family and leave this one alone

thank you for any help so far
but i will be back

lorraine

Hello Lorraine.........I can't find the baptism........but I think it is unlikely that William and Honour..having has two perfectly good children..Elizabeth 1810..and Matilda 1813 in the Anglican Church at Barrow...should suddenly pop up eight years later at a Primitive Methodist Church in Loughboorough..and the records for which appear to start in 1828.....

Do you know anything more about this Ann Spittle 1921??
EDIT....have now found the Baptism.........very strange..............

Derek.

derek
i have been on familysearch and come across this
ann baptism 26 aug 1821 at dead lane primitive methodist
parents william and honor spittle

so do you think they might have had there name as spittle instead of spittlehouse
please let me know what you think
lorraine

Thanks Derek , a little more digging then methinks. That's my evening sorted :-D

Morning LA.............I misread one of the marriages..should be Hannah Elizabeth Gunnell.
You know me..don't like to fail.......so I've had a shufti around.......

Lillian..who I cannot find..came from Astbery Lincolnshire..so I went off on a limb..........and found that Hannah Gunnell also came from Astbery Lincolnshire...which is too much of a co-incidence....

So here is what i think. IF WTF Measham did marry Lillian..then the Shardlow Register has made a big mistake.and has entered Hannah rather than Lillian...ie.Lillian's mother, or even grandmother instaed of the Bride......
I am guessing that Lillian's maiden name was Gunnell......but I still can't find her!!

Derek.

Thanks Derek

Hey Gooner........European qualification assured!!..unfortunately Shardlow Civil Regustration AMJ 1905 gives Willoughby T F Measham as marrying either:-

Ada Madeline James or Hannah Elizabeth Gunnell. no mention of lilian......1911 does show him with "Lillian".......but she is from Lincolnshire........

I'll look into it.............

Derek.

Derek can you please see if you can find the marriage of Willoughby Thomas Foster Measham in 1905/06 Shardlow please. I have him and wife Lillian on 1911 but cannot find a Lillian on freebmd. Many thanks

Derek,

Thanks Derek for making sense of my Ballington Clan. You're a star as always!

Julie

Hello again Julie..further to my message below I can now confirm the Baptism of CATHERINE HUTCHBY 08.05.1814 at St. Mary's Nottingham..one of four children of JOHN HUTCHBY and Ruth (whose marriage I have yet to find):-
Louisa Ann Hutchby 21.11.1819
Pamela 28.05.1822
Joseph 28.05.1822 (married a Hannah from Holbrook Derbyshire)

I have a history for John Ballington from Derby..and the succeeding Censuses show that John and Catherine lived in Derby until his death in 1870...at some stage later Catherine moved back to Nottingham and died there 25.12.1884..............there were several children, very easy to trace, as i'm sure you know.

Derek.

Hello Julie..this is going to be difficult.but initial findings are:-

JOHN BALLINGTON married CATHERINE HUTCHBY St Alkmund Derby 22.08.1842..........Catherine was 28 on marriage . from the 1851 she came from Notts.......born C1814..daughter of John Hutchby........

At the moment i cannot get past that..but suggest that if either of them came from Notts..it was John Hutchby........can't find either of them at the moment, but Catherine SHOULD BE on the 1841 somewhere!!
EDIT.............I've found him!!!!!!!.....briefly..needs checking out...JOHN HUTCHBY b 1786 St Mary's Nottingham..married Ruth and had four children all baptised St. mary's..including CATHERINE HUTCHBY baptised 08.05.1814......so at the very least,, there is only one Ballington marriage and you have the right one.......will get back yo you with details.

....and it begins to look like John and catherine WERE living together in 1841......living in sin?????......oh yes much earlier!! bring it on!!
Derek

Derek,

Can you help me, I'm very confused.com
I have John Ballington Married to Catherine Hutchby in 1842 according to records on ancestry. I was looking for Catherine's baptism in Nottinghamshire, but couldn't find anything, so I looked for her on the 1841 Census, with no luck. However I have found John & Catherine Ballington on the 1841 Census. Could it be there are 2 Catherine & John Ballington's and I have the wrong marriage. Or did living in Sin really come that early?

Thank you

Julie

Derek - many thanks, it's much appreciated.

It solves Wallace's likely parentage, previously unknown, and virtually all of the above tallies (although 'Charles' is probably Charles, as he appears with the family in the 1871 census, and there is a Burton death entry for a Charles aged 1 in Q4 1871).

I've wondered for a long while about the lack of proximity of Wakefield to Coton in the Elms, so maybe there was more to it than just work ?!

Regards,

Dave.

Hello David.............this is very interesting, and I don't know how much you know.

WALLACE HEXTALL (Wallis Hextall in the Pr's)....whose Birth Reg I have seen JFM 1888 and may well have been born in Jan 1888......was not baptised until 25.03.1889...........this is not a misprint..I have seen the original today at Matlock..baptised..son of MARY HEXTALL...........Hmmm...Mary not married..daughter of THOMAS and HARRIET HEXTALL.....

Mary Hextall married William Asbury 08.12.1888..but left her son behind in Coton, whist she waltzed off to Wakefield..and has a son William in 1890.

Meanwhile baby Wallace is left with Grandparents Thomas and Harriet (1891 Census).......

Thomas Hextall died in 1891 ( buried 12.09.1891) and his widow Harriet remarried to Frank Coxon 15.04.1895.....

Children of Thomas Hextall and Harriet nee Fern were;-

Mary 04.10.1868
Charles 29.01.1871
Thomas 14.02.1871.............

........except that Charles turned out to be CLARA..who married Joseph Kilbourne at Coton 29.10.1892......again checked with original......all three children of thomas hextall a Miner.
Wallace in 1901 is a servant on the Norbury's farm
and in 1911 he is with Thomas and Annie Hextall..shown as nephew..but in fact Thomas is Wallace's elder brother.

all the best..

Derek.

Derek - is the offer still open re Coton in the Elms (5 May 2010) ?

And if so, would you have the corresponding Coton Baptism details for this person ?

Wallace Hextall
Birth Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1888
Registration District: Burton upon Trent
Volume: 6b Page: 370

It's possible that the birth date is 21 Jan 1888

Regards,

Dave.

hi derek
alice wheatley married william underwood
have found them up untill the 1881 census then cant find her any more
but have found a death of a alice underwood in notts in 1907 age 70
so weather its my alice or not i dont know

mary e davis b 1872 notts parents thomas and eliza
married 1896 notts
edward e wragg
then nothing

charlotte a addicott b 1867
married 1883 notts
alfred small wood
nothing for them either


so there you go derek [can you find them ]
take care
lorraine

Hi Derek if thats the case add my Meashams to your investigations That wil keep you busy ;-). Joke is 3 of the Measham family were private investigators. :-D

Lorraine.....like, who, for instance has disappeared, never to be seen again ????? 'm opening a Missing persons bureau!!

Derek.

hi derek
first i would like to say a very big thank you
and i will have anything youve got on the litherlands ect

doing my best with my tree but some of them seemed to of disappered never to be seen again
so when you have time theres no rush for i know you help alot of people

take care
lorraine

have you any records for hinckley leicestershire [more family from there ] the dennis family which is on my tree