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Derek,

Can you help me, I'm very confused.com
I have John Ballington Married to Catherine Hutchby in 1842 according to records on ancestry. I was looking for Catherine's baptism in Nottinghamshire, but couldn't find anything, so I looked for her on the 1841 Census, with no luck. However I have found John & Catherine Ballington on the 1841 Census. Could it be there are 2 Catherine & John Ballington's and I have the wrong marriage. Or did living in Sin really come that early?

Thank you

Julie

Derek - many thanks, it's much appreciated.

It solves Wallace's likely parentage, previously unknown, and virtually all of the above tallies (although 'Charles' is probably Charles, as he appears with the family in the 1871 census, and there is a Burton death entry for a Charles aged 1 in Q4 1871).

I've wondered for a long while about the lack of proximity of Wakefield to Coton in the Elms, so maybe there was more to it than just work ?!

Regards,

Dave.

Hello David.............this is very interesting, and I don't know how much you know.

WALLACE HEXTALL (Wallis Hextall in the Pr's)....whose Birth Reg I have seen JFM 1888 and may well have been born in Jan 1888......was not baptised until 25.03.1889...........this is not a misprint..I have seen the original today at Matlock..baptised..son of MARY HEXTALL...........Hmmm...Mary not married..daughter of THOMAS and HARRIET HEXTALL.....

Mary Hextall married William Asbury 08.12.1888..but left her son behind in Coton, whist she waltzed off to Wakefield..and has a son William in 1890.

Meanwhile baby Wallace is left with Grandparents Thomas and Harriet (1891 Census).......

Thomas Hextall died in 1891 ( buried 12.09.1891) and his widow Harriet remarried to Frank Coxon 15.04.1895.....

Children of Thomas Hextall and Harriet nee Fern were;-

Mary 04.10.1868
Charles 29.01.1871
Thomas 14.02.1871.............

........except that Charles turned out to be CLARA..who married Joseph Kilbourne at Coton 29.10.1892......again checked with original......all three children of thomas hextall a Miner.
Wallace in 1901 is a servant on the Norbury's farm
and in 1911 he is with Thomas and Annie Hextall..shown as nephew..but in fact Thomas is Wallace's elder brother.

all the best..

Derek.

Derek - is the offer still open re Coton in the Elms (5 May 2010) ?

And if so, would you have the corresponding Coton Baptism details for this person ?

Wallace Hextall
Birth Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1888
Registration District: Burton upon Trent
Volume: 6b Page: 370

It's possible that the birth date is 21 Jan 1888

Regards,

Dave.

hi derek
alice wheatley married william underwood
have found them up untill the 1881 census then cant find her any more
but have found a death of a alice underwood in notts in 1907 age 70
so weather its my alice or not i dont know

mary e davis b 1872 notts parents thomas and eliza
married 1896 notts
edward e wragg
then nothing

charlotte a addicott b 1867
married 1883 notts
alfred small wood
nothing for them either


so there you go derek [can you find them ]
take care
lorraine

Hi Derek if thats the case add my Meashams to your investigations That wil keep you busy ;-). Joke is 3 of the Measham family were private investigators. :-D

Lorraine.....like, who, for instance has disappeared, never to be seen again ????? 'm opening a Missing persons bureau!!

Derek.

hi derek
first i would like to say a very big thank you
and i will have anything youve got on the litherlands ect

doing my best with my tree but some of them seemed to of disappered never to be seen again
so when you have time theres no rush for i know you help alot of people

take care
lorraine

have you any records for hinckley leicestershire [more family from there ] the dennis family which is on my tree

Hi again Lorraine........well thank you for letting me examine your tree........very impressive it is...

Two things stand out..I do have the dates of baptism wedings and burials for most of the Barrow 0n Soar lot..that lot being the Litherlands,Mountneys and Spittlehouses.........if you want them.

The major point is a problem with JOHN LITHERLAND 1785.........baptised 04.02.1785..son of John and Sarah nee Mounteney.

On the 1841 John(1785) appears with his wife Sarah..and his children

Trouble is that the self same family with Sarah and the same children appear on the 1851...but this time it is the children of WILLIAM LITHERLAND 1785...and John has disappeared for good..whereas William perseveres until hisdeath in Greenwich as a Chelsea Pensioner.

William 1785 is of course the William Lithelrand who married Sarah Mayes 26.12.1816 (she died 28.11.1852 aged 58).

There is no mariage anywhere for a John Litherland to Sarah....1816.

Now then..i have the absolutely complete Barrow upon Soar Registers from 1849-1990............but for earlier dates i have had to rely on Batch Numbers on Family Search..which give an entirely accurate picture at Barrow...all the dates etc are correct..except.....There is a John Litherlsnd 04.02.1785 son of John and Sarah...........should this be William? and if so why is he John on the 1841 and William on the 1851????

I will pop down to Barrow to look at the original Fiche copies.......but if they show John 04.02.1785 we have a bit of a problem

Oh joy!!

Derek..

hi derek
thank you so much will sit down and look at my tree then get back to you

thanks again
lorraine

Lorraine........burials of:-

JOHN MOUNTNEY 13.02.1822 aged 70...and his wife SARAH 24.06.1828..

John LITHERLAND buried 18.10.1838.aed 76...baptised 30.01.1762 son of John Litherland and Ann nee Glover...and was the husband of Sarah Mountney whom he married 24.10.1784......

other bits and bobs:-

JOHN MOUNTNEY married Hannah Johnson 27.11.1787
1775William Lockwood married HARRIET Litherland 10.10.1823

John Litherland married AnnGlover 13.04.1758

Ann MOUNTNEY married John Deacon 23.09.1771

Elizabeth MOUNTNEY married Francis Ward 03.07.1775.........

..and many more........ask away!!..I even have Litherland burials in Barrow..1948..1949..1977...1981..1988............all living on Nottingham Road Barrow upon Soar........

Derek

hi derek
now thats quite alot of info
didnt know they had another daughter [elizabeth or is it the eliza i found]and its funny that this ann or elizabeth ann married a lockwood as honours sister harriet married a william lockwood
anyway will go and have alook on the other site now and will get back to you

you also said that john and sarah litherland [nee mountney ]were buried together can you please tell me when they died

and derek thank you so so much for all the info so ok been on the other site dont know what to think as someone is doing a tree with this martha and they have matha price as marrying the jepson and also sarah mounteney parents have have as bartholomew and mary there is a will of bartholomews that said what he had left to his daughter sarah litherland wife of john
so not sure at all were to go with any of them
but a big thank you

lorraine
ps read it wrong about the burials first time but burials of john litherland would be good
thank you

Hi Lorraine.....further to my message below..........this is either completely brilliant or complete nonsense........take your pick.....

Looking for William Jepson and matilda nee Spittlehouse.

Here is what I think,,,,,,,,,William Jepson was from the next village to barrow on Soar........was called Quorndon, is now called Quorn.I know the area extremely well.......
He married Matilda Spittlehouse in 1831 in her own Parish (Barrow)..then took her back to his place to have his wicked way with her.....their first child is born 1832............

I believe they ARE on the 1841 census but Matilda is transcribed as Martha (very easily done!)..never to be seen again..because she died in 1846.........William Jepson re-married 07.05.1848 to Catherine Shaw........and can be found on succeeding censuses together..........with children of both wives...

let me know what you think!!

Derek.

Hello Lorraine........I now have most of the Barrow on Soar Records through to about 1943.and have taken out most of the stuff that mentions LITHERLAND..MOUNTENEY..and SPITTLEHOUSE............Incidentally the family at barrow on Soar were always Litherland..without variation.....

Honour LITHERLAND, who married William Spittlehouse was baptised 20.06.1791...daughter of John and Sarah nee MOUNTENEY.......who were married 24.10.1784.......

There was only ever one Mountney family (spelling is irrelevant).....Sarah Mountney's parents were JOHN AND SARAH..who are buried together at Barrow...........

In the earlier records...before about 1830..there will not be any witnesses to marriages......only the barest of information is given.

I am interested that you cannot find the children of Honour and William Spittlehouse..........thye do not appear to be alive in 1841...but neither Honour nor William died at Barrow....

I have now load of marriages of various litherlands and Various Spittlehouses..and a few Mountneys......let me know anything specific that you need to know..in the meantime I@m off to find missing peeps.

EDIT........Have found the marriage of Matilda and William Jepson 28.11.1831..but as yet nothing else..

But if you were searching for the other daughter ELIZABETH SPITTLEHOUSE things would be more rosy!..she married THOMAS BAKEWELL 16.04.1827....and had one child ( at least) Ann or Elizabeth Ann..who married into the local LOCKWOOD family..........Elizabeth senior was still around in 1871 living with her son in law John Lockwood.she was a shopkeeper in Church Street..and since Barrow is relatively unspoiled it is likely that the shop still exists.

Thomas Bakewell born 1810 son of thomas bakewell..seems not to have lasted much beyond 1841...........but i can check that....

Derek

hi derek
it is honor litherland who married william spittlehouse
i found there marriage and they had 2 children eliza b abt 1810 and matilda b abt 1813
matilda married a william jepson
but no sign of any of them in any of the census

and then you mention thomas and esther would that be thomas litherland [leatherland ] and esther wells or another thomas and esther
but i could do with some marriage lookups at leicestershire archives earlyish marriages so it will be witness that i am intrested in
so if you could do the lookups for me will send the info

thank you
lorraine

Thanks Derek, I found the parents of the one that died on a tree and dismissed those.

Lorraine!! Funny..was only going through the Barrow Registers in the library at Barrow on Soar.....last week!..i actually work in Loughborough.

Send me your details and I'm sure i can help.

At present I am aware of FOUR different LITHERLAND entries in thos records...

William and Sarah
John and Ann(e)
Thomas and Esther
John and Sarah.
..and a marriage for HONOR LITHERLAND to William Spittlehouse 06.11.1809
EDIT.....in your absence gradually building up a continuous picture of the Litherlands in Barrow...including the latest burial..of one Lettice Elizabeth Litherland who was buried 30.05.1937..aged 77.........and who born Elizabeth Black..( just being clever!!! lol)..I await your orders!!
Derek.

hi derek
researching litherland and mounteney [mountney]2 different spellings have looked on freereg and familysearch
the litherlands came from barrow upon sour
so if you think you can help i can send some details

take care
lorraine

Hello again LA...........right. as i said..the only baptism for ANN PEGG I can find is the one 09.04.1815.............daughter of THOMAS PEGG and ANN LUDLOW who were married at Repton 07.11.1814..........I don't know how much the alleged dob of 1811 really matters, but at best it will be approximate.
There was an Ann Pegg who was baptised Repton 03.03.1811..but she died in 1821..in case of any future confusion, her parents were Samuel and Lydia (nee Higgins)..

On the bas
is that Ann Pegg 1815 is likely to be your Ann Measham 1811.......her parents were THOMAS PEGG and ANN LUDLOW..married at Repton 07.11.1814.

The parents of Ann Ludlow baptised repton 02.06.1795 were james Ludlow and Mary...

The parents of Thomas Pegg who married Ann ludlow were harder to pin down becasue thomas was not from Repton.....

But because they were both so young when they married....they are in fact on the 1851 Census..........Ann Pegg..of Repton 1796....and Thomas Pegg of Littleover 1798...............ergo...........back to Littleover and we have:-

THOMAS PEGG baptised 22.10.1798..son of Joseph Pegge and Sarah......

all of which is likely..but not 100%

Derek.

Hi Lorraine..try me!! I have long arms!!

Derek