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Sheila

Sheila Report 24 Jan 2014 16:51

Hi Derek
Thank you for the information ,I will have to see about getting her marriage certificate. Sorry for making things difficult for you, next time I need your help I will try to find something easy.
Best Wishes
Sheila.

Derek

Derek Report 23 Jan 2014 19:58

Hello Sheila..............you don't do "easy" do you??

The only way you can differentiate between the two is to get her Marriage certificate on which will be the clues you need.......

Things you're looking for:-

Edith H Hampson..(nee Reed).........married:-

William Benjamin Horn or William B Horn........you are looking for Father's name..which won't help you becasue they are both James....you are also looking for Father's Occupation:-

William from Sussex..father (in 1911) Nurseyman from Yapton........

William from Hull.... Father Ships Steward/Seaman..........I can't find William from Hull except on the 1891....which might mean he died..so problem solved.

I have, obviously no idea of an occupation for William from Hull............but William from Sussex (littlehampton..which I know well, and is effectively East Preston......was Carter..in 1911.

So from this combination you will definitely get the right man........his occupation and/or fathers occupation............but you need to purchase the Marriage certificate for Edith Hampson.

Derek.

Derek.

Sheila

Sheila Report 23 Jan 2014 18:19

Hi Derek.
Thank you so much for the information on Alice Bertha that is a great help.
I have been trying to find the marriages of Edith Helena Reed so far I have her married to John E Hampson Sept 1923 Conway and her 2nd marriage to William B Horn Jun 1935 Bristol.
But I am not sure which William B Horn is the correct one ,b Sept 1882 Hull d 1938 Hull or William Benjamin b 1887 E Preston there is also one that d 1936 Birmingham.
Can you please advise me where is the best place to look to check .
Hope I am not being too much bother.
Thank you
Sheila

Derek

Derek Report 22 Jan 2014 23:19

Hi Sheila.here is Chapter and verse on Alice B Hopkinson.

The family farmed one of the only two farms at Wheatcroft.a tiny hamlet near Crich..I just happen to have the Crich..and Ashover Parish Records....

John Hopkinson and Frances Allen married 06.05.1798 in Ashover....
Their son:-
John Hopkinson was born Ashover 13.06.1799...

He married Mary Nightingale 17.04.1828...........she was baptised at Crich 14.04.1861 daughter of Joseph.and whenever I find that name I get asked the same question and the answer is a big fat NO.........

John and Mary had the following children at Crich...

Joseph Nightingale Hopkinson 19.07.1835
Frances Eliza Hopkinson 17.01.1837....married William Bird 08.05.1858
Selena Maria Hopkinson 29.10.1839....married John Lee Smith 24.10.1867
JOHN NIGHTINGALE HOPKINSON 02.05.1841..married SARAH ELLEN HORNER ist Qtr 1861 Belper District.

Crich is in the Belper Registration District........

They had the following children:_

Walter 1868
Edith E 1873
Sarah A 1875
Mary Lizzie 1879
ALICE BERTHA HOPKINSON 1881..who married THOMAS W REED 1902.

I hope that answers most if not all your questions.

Derek.

Gins

Gins Report 22 Jan 2014 20:52

My legs come out in the summer

I am hoping for spring....first

I hadn't realised it was so long ago that your first thread was whooshed :-(

Derek

Derek Report 22 Jan 2014 19:43

Hi Ginny..thanks for your message......do you realise you were the first to contact me over three years ago, after I lost my original Thread.

I still hate the rabbit!! much prefer the legs..even if they're not yours!!

Derek xx

Derek

Derek Report 22 Jan 2014 19:41

Sorry Sheila........it WAS 1846..I just mis-typed, and have now corrected it..silly billy!!

Gins

Gins Report 22 Jan 2014 18:55

Hello Sheila..and best wishes to my old mate Ginny........what a nightmare!!I don't mean Ginny,I mean your query!)

Hey Derek :-D

Hope you are OK, I see you are busy <3


Keep up the good work

Sheila

Sheila Report 22 Jan 2014 18:16

Hello Derek
Sorry for giving you a nightmare.
Thank you for what you have given me,Thomas Reed the Police Officer that you found as b 1856 I was told he was b 1846 so I will have to do more digging,not sure where though.
If you could find anything about Alice Bertha that would be a great help.
Thank you very much for your help.

Sheila

Derek

Derek Report 21 Jan 2014 21:35

Hello Sheila..and best wishes to my old mate Ginny........what a nightmare!!I don't mean Ginny,I mean your query!)

It took a while, and great use of the Poirot little grey cells to work out that you have to ignore the WWWWWW's//Wollesley.Wellesley and Woolcott.........which are either affectations or at best middle christian names..used or not used at will.

The name yo're looking for is REED.with or without a W.

THOMAS W REED was a Police Officer born 1846 in Islington Middlesex.....may have been the son of Thomas and Emma.

Very little of this is to do with Derbyshire until 1880.onwards.

Thomas W reed married Elizabeth from Ireland..born about 1859..and their first two children were born in Madras in India 1874 and 1876...Eliza and William Henry.you might look at your india History and the British Raj to get an idea why Thomas was out in India.

He was back in islington ib 1878.for the birth of John Joseph..and by 1879 was in Chapel en le Frith for the birth of Maria 1878..and of THOMAS WOOLCOTT REED...registered as such born OND 1879 ...........
.....but on the 1881 Census they are all living at 128 Bayer Street St Werbergh Derby.

Thomas Woollesly Reed married Alice bertha Hopkinson AMJ 1902..and had three children befroe 1911............by which time they are living in Staveley nr Chesterfield with a Grocery Wholesale and Retail business.

Becasue of the very arbitrary way in which the middle W is either used or not used..it is very difficult to reasearch REED in London, and frankly I'm not going to try......I suggest you ignore the obvious mistranscriptions.....I suggest there is a Female maiden name some way back in the family which was a variation of one of the W options.....

I'm not much good to you even in Derbyshire after 1911......only insofar as I can chase bits and pieces that frankly, anyone van find.

I hope I have been able to help you...........I may well have better luck with Alice Bertha's history if you want it....

Derek

Sheila

Sheila Report 21 Jan 2014 18:59

Hi Derek
I hope you can help Gins told me to ask.
I am trying to find information on Thomas Wellesley orWollesley or Woollcott Reed b 1881? Chapel en le Frith married Alice Bertha Hopkinson b 1880.
His parents were Thomas and Elizabeth and their children were
Edith Helena b Jun 1905 ,think she married twice but can not find details.
Arthur Wollesley b Jun1907 married Doris Harriett Randle found byPricklyHolly.
Francis Woollcott b Jun 1909.
Any information would be a great help,Marriages ,Children, Grandparents or even G Grandparents.
Thank you
Sheila

Mark

Mark Report 21 Jan 2014 01:39

Hi Derek,

Long-time since I have been here! Hope you are well.

Questions again about the Marsh family of Scarcliffe.

Jonathan Marsh (c1743-1781) married Sarah Gervois in 1764 in Upper Langwith. According to the previous research you believed Sarah's name was in fact Jarvis. Nobody seems have further information. I have found the following records and wondered if they are more likely than what other trees have in them.

Sarah Jarvis born c1742, christened in Bolsover. Parents are Joseph and Mary Jarvis. Following death of Jonathan in 1781, a Sarah Marsh marries John Guest in Scarcliffe in December 1782. A Sarah Gest dies in Scarcliffe in 1814, born around 1742.

If you re-collect my connection to them is via their son William (born c1762 - 1770) and his wife Amelia or Amy Marsh (nee Brown). However, having reviewed my tree and searching various sites I can't find a record connecting William to Jonathan. Have all the trees made an assumption about William's parents?

Regards
Mark

Joanna

Joanna Report 20 Jan 2014 20:26

Thanks Derek

Its nice to have another opinion when there is no proof.

The 4 boys John, Joseph, Robert and Edward didn’t get married till well after 1844 Joseph being the first in 1848 and a long time to wait if you already have a child. Also wouldn’t it have been unlikely that he would have taken the Broomhead name and lived with the Broomheads if he was an ilagitamate son of a son.

Edward and Ann would have been a possibility but their Henry is living with them in 1851.

Ann Broomhead c 1832 is too young leaving only Sarah who as you say may have died shortly after childbirth.

The other fact that leads me to this conclusion is that in the 1851, 1861 &1891 it is very specific that he was born at Vincent House.

There is a record on Family Search for the marriage and in fathers name is "Nullins Filius “

Thanks for your input, I think this one is a real dead end.

Jo

Derek

Derek Report 19 Jan 2014 17:56

Hello Jo.....after all my meanderings in my message below......I find that your original deductions may be right......

I don't think that Henry's Birth in 1844 was ever Civilly Registered........the nearest is 1842 Bakewell but he was a solicitor in later life.

Henry was buried 1896 aged 52...........Sarah was born 1815...was unmarried when she was buried in February 1845 at St Giles Hartington........and if she was Henry's mother it was probably in or shortly after childbirth......

Whether Henry was ever actually baptised is open to question, but of course way back then was not necessary.........I don't have the Hartington Pr's, but net time I'm in Matlock I'll have a look .....if he's there, his mother will be shown.......if not..he was never baptised....and if his mum died soon after Birth, i'm not surprised that his birth was not Registered at Ashbourne.
EDIT.......you can find Vincent House Farm on Google Earth....just north of Hartington near Pilsbury

Derek. ( P.S..don't miss my earlier message)

Derek

Derek Report 19 Jan 2014 17:33

Hello Julie.......since i first posted this Thread, my records have grown and grown..so just try me.......but please contact me on my East Yorkshire page.

Derek.

Julie

Julie Report 19 Jan 2014 17:26

Derek,

Please could you tell me which Parish Records you cover in East Yorkshire?
I thought I might have a go at my Barlow's and Barraclough's in Yorkshire.
I don't want to bother you unnecessarily.

Regards

Julie

Julie

Julie Report 19 Jan 2014 17:26

Derek,

Please could you tell me which Parish Records you cover in East Yorkshire?
I thought I might have a go at my Barlow's and Barraclough's in Yorkshire.
I don't want to bother you unnecessarily.

Regards

Julie

Derek

Derek Report 19 Jan 2014 16:54

Hello Jo.......I would be interested in the deductive process that leads you to a mother called Sarah........(EDIT sorry..read below.)......

The 1851 census clearly gives Robert and Ann as Grandparents.

From Parish records, they appear to have had only three children:-

Robert 1823
Edward 1825
Ann 1832...........so IF there is no daughter Sarah.then the parent is, biologically possible, only either Robert or Edward..both of whom are unmarried in 1851.

I cannot find a birthdate for Henry Broomhead in 1844..but lets just spin a liine here.......

Baptisms:- Hartington............11.12.1853 Henry Broomhead
11.12. 1853 William Broomhead
20.08.1855 John Broomhead..........

Marriage at Hartington EDWARD BROOMHEAD aged 27 married Ann Bembridge aged 25...02.12.1852...........

Now just supposing Edward and Ann were, shall we say, enjoying each others "company"..for a number of years..like since 1843..and in that time they had not one, but two children....whom they baptised together a year after they married...

Might seem far-fetched, but if William was born just after they married..which explains why he is not on the 1851.............and prior to 1851 Henry Henry born approximately...could be as much as five years out..1844...........it *would explain everything...........

Vincent House, was, and is Vincent House Farm..a stronghold of the Broomheads for generations.

Let me know what you think.......have i missed Sarah??
EDIT...........HUMPH........looks like i did miss Sarah..because i have found the family on the 1841.......but for the life of me i cannot find a trace of her.....Robert Edward and Ann.are all on parish records....

Back to the drawing board!!
Derek.

Joanna

Joanna Report 19 Jan 2014 11:49

Hi Derek
Just wondered if you would look into my Broomhead line please.
My great grandfather Henry Broomhead c1844 married Fanny Allen
Marriage oct-nov-dec 1874 vol 7b page 1037
Fathers name not recorded.
In 1851 he is living with grandparents at Vincent house Hartington and it states this is where he was born.
By deduction I have presumed he was the son of Sarah but it would be nice if there was a record to back this up.

Thank

Jo

Derek

Derek Report 18 Jan 2014 21:22

Hi Susan..heehee..but its not as boring as an ordinary nudge up !! xx