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Hello Derek, we are new to this ancestry research, we would appreciate a little help.
Have found my grand dad's mother Annie Barton who was from Duffield and her father was William Barton and mother Lydia Hulse but am confused to who was his farther and mother as there are several Thomas Barton. Which part of the branch of Barton started the coach company?
Many thanks Jeanne.

Thanks Derek, I will post some information after this but a friend has kindly driven along the Lane today and has just e-mailed me this..........

''Yes we went up and down the long lane twice no sign of any sort of bungalow.

The lane started in School lane in Wadshelf and i asked at the beautiful school but the cook who has been there 18 years could not help

We went to the other end of the lane to Curbar and Calver and asked at the pub but no help , an old chap there said it was a cart track back then and bogs both sides why would anyone want to come there to live?

There was only one farm CLODHALL FARM and i went to ask but after having done some research of her own on the district she had never come across a bungalow on Clodhall lane.''................

Why is family history research so absorbing and yet the deeper you get the more annoying it becomes???

Just had a thought if it was still there and on the off chance somebody is reading this who lives there unknowing of any macabre goings on...they will have nightmares.

Have pm'd you Derek.

Hi Allotment............virtually impossible i would have thought.........from local knowledge.......Clodhall Lane is situated between Old Brampton and Baslow..and passes by Wadshelf (you turn left into Wadshelf from Clodhall Lane) whic in turnis about two miles from Baslow.........it is not easy to know where Main Street Old Brampton becomes Clodall Lane..or where Clodhall lane becomes baslow Road............but one thing is clear..once you get out of Old Brampton the road is virtually uninhabited. supporting your idea of isolation...particularly where the road passes by Wadshelf........the bungalow could have been anywhere, and indeed may still exist under a different name.
This person of whom you speak.......I assume would have been on the 1911 Census........if you give me her name and age...married status etc.......that maybe away of finding her...........at the moment i cannot find Clodhall Lane on the 1911.......

Derek

Hi Derek, I don't know if this query is within the bounds of your impressive Derbyshire knowledge but here goes anyway...........I have somebody who committed suicide in 1925 at The Bungalow, Clodhall Lane, Wadshelf, Old Brampton. Hanging whilst insane to be honest.
Looking on Google Streetview it's an awfully long road with not a lot of habitation and handed down family knowledge suggests that it was because she was so isolated that she sadly lost her mind. Do you have access to any records that might suggest whereabouts The Bungalow might have been please?
Many thanks in anticipation.

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Brilliant.
I try to keep you on your toes. :-D :-D

Meercat.

Hi Meercat..thanks for the kick up the backside!!..have answered him.......for your information William Wragg was one of a large number of children of William and Maria.and was baptised Heath 31.12.1797.

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Can you check this out for Andy he is on your old Derbyshire thread on genealogy
chat.

Andy Report 16 Apr 2013 13:28

Hi Derek

Hope you are still around..

Just wondering if the parents of a William Wragg born 1797 in Heath Derbyshire was something that you 'could' dig up so to speak.

Thanks in advance

Andy

This thread is soooooooooooooooo boring!!!!

Hi Derek


me again!!


How are you????


Could you have a look on this thread, pretty please?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1323234?jump=1323234





sylvia

thanks

Hello Quoy..sorry..don't have the answer to either without seeing the actual parish Records at Matlock..both are a bit late for me....particularly 1924...........but I will look next time i go!

Derek.

Hello Derek

i am back to the woods after 6 months off

could you please have a look for these 2 marriages for me in your records

George Frederick Young wed
Harriett Yates October qua 1887 Derby

Edith Young wed George H Shepherd
Sep qua 1924 Shardlow

thank you

Hi Derek

We have a Facebook dedicated to Derbyshire genealogy. Please feel free to join us http://www.facebook.com/groups/208892909129219/

And we won't delete anything

Regards Gaynor :-D

hello Derek

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sally w <3

Hi Derek,

That's OK I do the same sometimes,

Millicent 1829 is the granddaughter of Millicent 1788 who is the niece of Millicent (Milla) 1750. I have got all of the Wymeswold's Bryans from Joseph 1810 son of Millicent 1788 just about sorted.

Thank you so much for the Luin info I'll now add them to my tree and see what else I can find.

Again Thank you dont know where I be without you.

Wendy

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Edit: The Zipporah Bryan whose burial you found could be the one christened 4 Sept 1805 St Margaret Church, Leicester daughter of Edward & Ann Bryan so don't know if the are connected to the Walton Bryans

Sorry....yes it was Millicent..my scribble looked lie Wiili........James Bryans wife Hannah Smith was buried 03.01.1812..his daughter Millicent..marries October 1812...and I suppose there is no reason why he should not have married another Hannah....after all he livved on for another 17 years....

..and yes there are a lot of the Bryans at Wymeswold including Joseph and his family........so Millicent 1788 is the niece of Millicent 1750...and the mother of Millicent 1829..????

MARY LUIN was the daughter..one of three daughters of EDWARD LUIN and MARY nee SLOT who married 15.10.1701

Mary Luin was born 22.04.1710 and baptised 25.02.1714..her sisters were Elizabeth and Susannah, and a brother thomas..all from TurLangton Leicestershire........Edward Luin was born 1679 at Woodhouse near Loughborough son of William Luin.............Its difficult to chase because of the similarity to Lewin..although Luin appears quite distinct.

Derek

Hi Derek,

Thank you so much that's all a big help. I can do the Willoughby marriages at Nottingham archives. I think some of the Bryans went to Wymeswold.

Just a one thing to clear up you put William son of Joseph and Hannah christened 7 Dec 1788 Pristwold but I have it as Millicent being christened.

Also Millicent Bryans married William Lacey on 21 Oct 1812 snd at same time there was a James Bryans & Hannah Hall getting married would this be James the father's second marriage.

It was Millicent's son Joseph who married Mary Blout

Would be interested in anything you have on Mary Luin.

Again Thank you so so much you are a star.

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Wendy

Good morning Wendy.........further to last night's saga..one or two things that might be of interest to you.

The Bryan(s) family seem to have left Walton on the Wolds after about 1813 except for the odd burial I sent you last night.

There are 14 Burials at barrow on Soar between 1820-1870..and there are 12 marriages of Bryans..with the "s" at Willoughby on the Wolds 1727 - 1824'

Having had a quick shufti around that neck of the woods..there are a large number of villages in a relatively small cluster,,,,,,,,,,,and masses of bryans!

I guess only ou will know which, if an, are yours.

EDIT..THe Joseph Bryans father of Millicent..married mary Blount 22.08.1828 at Wymeswold..where he appears to have been born 1811......

Derek.

OK Wendy..end of a long day!!..let's start with the marriage of:-

JOHN BRYANS (1677) to JANE BUCKNAL(L) at Walton 04.03.1700.

They had the following children baptised at Walton:-

Anne 29.06.1701
Elizabeth 13.10.1703
Thomas 09.01.1706 married Mary Holwell 12.01.1727 Willoughby ot Wollds
John 17.10.1708.buried 10.12.1708
Jane 26.11.1709
JOHN 16.03.1712..married MARY LUIN 1730
William 20.06.1714...two marriages Mary Cramp/Magdalene Morris
Anne 25.11.1722
Alice 1720 as yet unconfirmed.
(There was a son born to William and mary 1737 called John (see below)..but to avoid any confusion he died 1738)

Children of JOHN BRYANS and MARY LUIN (married 10.05.1730)

Elizabeth 03.08.1735
Mary 19.12.1736
JOHN 10.12.1738..buried 29.03.1761 aged 23..existing gravestone..
Jane 16.09.1740
Anne 09.04.1743
Robert 21.10.1744
Thomas 16.10.1747
Sarah16.02.1752
JAMES baptised 06.02.1757...................

I am happy to confirm the marriage of JAMES BRYANS to HANNAH SMITH 02.12.1780 at Willoughby on the Wolds...along with a large number of Bryans!!..up to 1824

I have also found their five children...three baptised at Walton on the Wolds:-

Sarah..born 06.02.1781 baptised 22.02.1781
Thomas born 10.06.1783 baptised 22.06.1783
Ann born 12.04.1786 baptised 23.04.1786

the other two were baptised at Prestwold not Burton on the Wolds..the two are very close together.

William 07.12.1788
Carey 04.06.1798

JAMES BRYANS buried Walton on the Wolds 26.08.1829 aged 72
HANNAH wife of James buried 03.01.1812.aged 65..existing gravestone............

and finally a couple of extra bits..

Zipporah bryans buried Walton 06.09.1839 aged 33.....no indication of her marital state........

again from the Walton Pr's

MILLICENT BRYANS a farm servant..aged 20..father Joseph a Framework knitter..marriedThomas Osinbrook 26.11.1849

Mary Bryan wife of William Bryan buried 18.01.1739

Elizabeth daughter of William and his second wife Magdalen buried 01.10.1755

I've also got something on Mary Luin..but I've mislaid it!!.....will get back to you tomorrow...........

Derek.