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Anon

Anon Report 13 Jul 2010 17:24

Can anyone help me with the search for my Russell grt grndparents please?

My grandmother was born in August 1893 in Herstmonceaux E.Sussex. Her father was Alfred Horace Russell Farmer and her mother was Alice (ne Cook)
Have looked in a number of places but had no luck. I can't remember how many brother's and sisters she had but I know they included boy and girl twins. She spent most of her life in Portmouth, Hants and Testwood Hants. Her name was Eva

Flick

Flick Report 13 Jul 2010 17:28

1901 perhaps?

Name: Alice Russell
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Alfred H
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Framfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Framfield St Thomas a Beckett
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England


Registration district: Uckfield
Sub-registration district: Framfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred H Russell 31
Alice Russell 29
Ethel Russell 8
Eva Russell 7
Arthur Russell 4
George Russell 2
Mabel Russell 2


Liz 47

Liz 47 Report 13 Jul 2010 17:30

Is this the family - Liz


1901 census - household transcription
Person: RUSSELL, Eva
Address: Easons Green, Framfield



RUSSELL, Alfred H Head Married M 31 1870 Domestic Gardener
Brenchley
Kent VIEW
RUSSELL, Alice Wife Married F 29 1872
Portsmouth
Hampshire VIEW
RUSSELL, Ethel Daughter F 8 1893
Tunbridge Wells
Kent VIEW
RUSSELL, Eva Daughter F 7 1894
Wartling
Sussex VIEW
RUSSELL, Arthur Son M 4 1897
Wartling
Sussex VIEW
RUSSELL, George Son M 2 1899
Wartling
Sussex VIEW
RUSSELL, Mabel Daughter F 2 1899
Wartling
Sussex VIEW


RG number:
RG13 Piece:
899 Folio:
20 Page:
8

Registration District:
Uckfield Sub District:
Framfield Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Framfield St Thomas a Becket

Civil Parish:
Framfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
Easons Green, Framfield County:
Sussex

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 13 Jul 2010 17:42

???
1911 census transcription details for: 37 Cumberland St Portsea

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN5584 RG78PN253 RD90 SD3 ED24 SN262


Reg. District: Portsmouth Sub District: Portsea and Landport
Parish: Portsmouth Enum. District: 24
Address: 37 Cumberland St Portsea
County: Hampshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
BUTTON, Joseph Head Married M 55 1856 Beer Retailer Pensioner R N Portsmouth Hants
BUTTON, Clara Wife Married
32 years F 55 1856 Assisting In Business Portsmouth Hants
BUTTON, Joseph John Son Single M 31 1880 Hairdresser Portsmouth Hants
RUSSEL, Era Servant Single F 18 1893 Domestic Servant Boreham Sussex





1911 census transcription details for: 7 Sun Street Portsea

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN5589 RG78PN253 RD90 SD3 ED29 SN433


Reg. District: Portsmouth Sub District: Portsea and Landport
Parish: Portsmouth Enum. District: 29
Address: 7 Sun Street Portsea
County: Hampshire
HEWLETT, Charles Head Married M 39 1872 Labourer General Mitchimarch Hants
HEWLETT, Alice Wife Married
2 years F 40 1871 Portsmouth Hants
HEWLETT, Ivy Daughter Single F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Portsmouth Hants
RUSSELL, Ethel Stepdaughter Single M 18 1893 Nil Tunbridge Wells Kent
RUSSELL, Charles Stepson Single M 6 1905 School Rushlake Sussex

Maureen

Flick

Flick Report 13 Jul 2010 17:45

Have you tried looking for Alfred in1881?

It's free to all

www.familysearch.org

Anon

Anon Report 13 Jul 2010 23:25

I am so impressed with everything you have all done!

The Russell family are definitely the ones and incredibly you have found results which I didn't even want to complicate things with. My great grandmother's second marriage!

At the time of my grandmother's marriage Alfred her father was down as a farmer so I imagine life may have improved for them. I didn't know about the very youngest child born after the 1901 census and I had no idea that there was any connection with Kent.

The big 'scandal' in the family was that Alfred ran off to Canada at some point and I don't know if he came back!

Many, many thanks
Maureen

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 15:37

I can't find Arthur b 1897, nor the twins, on the 1911, and no suitable deaths.

Nor can I find a birth of Charles unless he had a middle name (there is a Charles Alfred).

Charles and Alice told porkies about the length of marriage:

Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hewlett Charles Russell Portsmouth 2b 1155
Russell Alice L Hewlett Portsmouth 2b 1155

Maureen says her g grandfather ran off and was dead by the time of Eva's marriage. So it's possible he died around 1912-13, somewhere in the world!

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 15:48

A tree on Ancestry says Charles Alfred Russell b Hailsham, June 05. And has another child Frederick Alfred Russell, 11/5/1901 - 19/8/1907.

It also says the marriage to Alice (Louisa) Cook was a second marriage for Alfred, and he was only 20 when he married her on 7 Dec 1890.

Off to look for a first marriage.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 16:06

The Ancestry tree doesn't give his first wife. I can find several possibles, but none of them die before Dec 1890.

There is also a Julie on here with both Alfred and Alice in her tree - but when I searched there is no Maureen with them!

Maureen, do you have your tree on here? It would be most useful if you did.

Anon

Anon Report 15 Jul 2010 18:20

The birthdate for Charles Alfred and the place definitely seems right. Puzzled by the Frederick but could he have died.

Grief I haven't heard of a 2nd marriage, makes me wonder if any of my lot on that side actually bothered with 'real' marriage at all!!

Many thanks

Will have to get back to you, head in spin over possible first marriage need to look things up.

Regards
Maureen

Anon

Anon Report 15 Jul 2010 18:21

Don't think the Julie connection is to me!

Maureen

Be back later

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 18:31

Yes, Maureen, Frederick Alfred died in 1907, I put the death date in wrongly.

There is an Alfred Russell age 30 (EDIT 36), a farmer, married but no family with him, sailing from Liverpool to Quebec, September 1906.

Maureen, the point I made about Julie having a tree on here with your family in is that I think you should contact her to see if you can share any information for your mutual advantage. If you click on Search Trees at the top of this page, Search all trees, and put in either Alfred or Alice's details, Julie will come up there and you can send her a message.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 18:33

Also what I meant, Maureen, is that when I search for Alfred in Search Trees, you don't come up as having him in your tree.

Anon

Anon Report 15 Jul 2010 20:53

Am with you and will Search Trees for Julie, sorry am feeling dim.

Could you confirm from a previous chat we had was this Alfred 30 or 36? The other one was 36. the one going to Canada that is I have 2 different ages.

I hope you know what I'm on about
maureen

Anon

Anon Report 15 Jul 2010 20:53

Definitely switched off, Alfred is in my tree.
Maureen

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 21:10

Sorry Maureen, my mistake, the chap going to Quebec is 36.

Problem about your tree is solved - you have mis-typed him as Afred.

Worth amending so people can "connect" with him.

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 21:32

Maureen is sure that Arthur 1897 and George & Mabel 1899 survived to adulthood, so should be somewhere on the 1911.

Given that the twins were registere in Hailsham, this is probably Arthur:


Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Russell Arthur Horace Hailsham 2b 95

Maureen, did you tell me that he emigrated?

Anon

Anon Report 15 Jul 2010 21:52

No just that he travelled to China before the Revoultion.

I'll go back and sort Alfred out I thought he was putting a hex on me!

More tomorrow. Je suis knackered as they say.

maureen thanks meg

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 15 Jul 2010 23:32

I know the odd bit of French learnt at primary school. Je suis means "I am". In German it is "Ich bin" and in Latin it is "Amo". I don't suppose a lot of people speak Latin nowadays.

Clever, eh?

I know no more French other than "Baguette sil vu plais".

Ah, then Arthur might be this fella:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Arthur Horace Russell
Name: Arthur Horace Russell
Birth Date: 18 Nov 1896
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: New Forest
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 0366


So, is there anybody else out there interested in this family.? Maureen isn't a Whizz at all this (sorry Maureen), so any help appreciated please.

So who, if anyone, did he marry?

Anon

Anon Report 16 Jul 2010 14:48

Meg I'm certain that this is the right Arthur. He owned a house in the New Forest Area in the 1940-50's
I shall look for his wife.

You are so right about me not being a whizz. at this! Still I suppose 3-4 weeks isn't long.